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Dina, Dale, we’ve talked about witches, we’ve talked about the town of Sleepy

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Hollow, have you guys heard about all of the horrific murders that have happened

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in the area of Sleepy Hollow?

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I’ve heard far too many to count.

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I’ve definitely heard my fair share, but I’m very curious.

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Well, we’re going to investigate those stories today on Folk Town.

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This week on Folktown, Sleepy Hollow, a town that’s anything but sleepy.

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Welcome to Folktown. Welcome back, residents of Folktown. On today’s episode,

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we’re going to be talking about a little bit of a sensitive topic.

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This episode is going to mention some murders that have taken place in the area,

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as well as victims and both perpetrators that are buried in the cemetery of Sleepy Hollow.

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So up top, we just want to make sure that we are letting you guys know that

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we are cognizant of the fact that these acts are awful and still affecting the family members.

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And we just want to let you know that we’re not glorifying the act or the people

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that committed them. We are here more to honor the victims and tell their stories.

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I do just wanna say that last week’s episode was a lot of fun about the witches.

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I don’t know how you guys felt, but I really loved that episode.

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This episode is definitely in my wheelhouse because we are gonna be talking about murders.

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Definitely a lot darker tonight.

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Again, that’s kind of why we put that disclaimer up front. We are recognizing

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that sometimes these things should come with trigger warnings and they don’t.

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And sometimes people glorify the murderers and that’s not what we’re trying to do.

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We just wanna tell the stories, especially for this area, which we did not realize

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until we started researching how many murders have occurred in the area or how

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many people that have been murdered or committed murders are married in the cemetery.

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I don’t know about you guys, but I was pretty shocked to find all these stories.

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It was hard to dwindle it down.

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Yeah, there’s so many.

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I mean, the further you go back, it really does get a little wild.

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You know, that it’s just like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

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Okay, this sounds like it could have happened within the past 20 years.

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Oh wait, there’s still like 50 years back. Oh wait, we can keep going back to

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like 1700s, 1800s, yeah.

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Absolutely, and this is not for, you know, like sometimes when we’re doing episode

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research, not that we’re having to look hard for reputable sources or reputable

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stories, this one was the opposite.

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It was like dwindling down, even right before we hit record,

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we’re like, ooh, I just found this one. Ooh, I just found this one.

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And so kind of dwindling it down to,

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the three larger stories we’re going to tell up front before our story, it was really hard.

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So, I think all of our stories kind of take place pre-2000, guys.

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We tried to go back much further, especially to be sensitive of newer stories,

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but I’m going to go ahead and start. So, this one is about Malcolm- How far

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back are we starting with?

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We’re starting back, my friends. So, we’re starting with Malcolm Webster Ford.

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He was born just a couple years ago in Brooklyn, February 7th of 1862.

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So just a couple, couple years ago, just fresh, you know.

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He was an athlete and he was a journalist and he was the son of Gordon Lester

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Ford and Emily Webster Ford.

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Emily Webster Ford was actually the granddaughter of Noah Webster who was a

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lifelong friend of Emily Dickinson, which us book nerds love.

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But during the 1800s, he won the American National Champion as the all-around

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athlete in what would be equivalent today as a decathlon.

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He won that three times and it had 10 events.

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This just makes me tired thinking of this, but three of which are different than what are run today.

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He ran a lot of races and he was very well known for that.

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He ended up marrying an heiress. Her name was Jeanette Graves.

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They got married in 1893 and they had one child who was also named Malcolm Webster Ford.

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So the couple divorced in 1898 and oddly enough,

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which is very strange for this time period, it’s I mean honestly even strange

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for the current time period, but the couple divorced in 1898 and Ford,

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he was granted custody of their child and that’s not normally how it goes.

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So during this time period, he was like a businessman.

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He was a journalist, I would say. He’s a journalist, maybe self-proclaimed.

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Do you know what I’m saying? He wrote articles about track and field,

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obviously, because that’s what he was known for in his heyday.

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He published them in a magazine called The Outing. He tried to launch his own

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publications twice, both of them,

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were failures. They plummeted. And then on May 8th in 1902,

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so before I get to the bad part of the story, he was asking his brother for

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a lot of money because he just kept having these business ventures that kept

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failing and failing and failing.

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So I think his brother just kept, his brother Paul kept bailing him out,

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right? So he’s like, I’m going to create this magazine and I’m going to be able

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to publish all of my works in it. And kind of, I think he was like touting himself.

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And well, that did not work. And then he tried it a second time.

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That did not work. And both times, his brother, Paul, was the person who was bailing him out.

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His wife’s sister, Marie, she actually married Henry Herman Harjes.

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Wow. That’s a tongue twister.

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It is.

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It was not a good time. And I’m about to marry a Henry, so I better get that

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right. But he was a partner of JP Morgan in Paris.

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So, like, the family just married money. They found money, they married money,

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and it sounds like he was, like, the brother-in-law that the daughters,

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like, did not marry the successful guy.

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Like, once his athletic career kind of crapped to the bed, that was all he had going for him.

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So, he asked his brother again for money, his brother Paul, and his brother

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Paul was like, sorry, bro, I am not continuing to bail you out.

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And he did not like that So, May 8th, yeah, yeah, that’s how it always goes.

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On May 8th, 1902, he went to East 77th Street to his brother Paul’s apartment

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in Manhattan and just walked into his brother’s library and unfortunately shot his brother.

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And then he turned the gun on himself.

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The creepy part here is, of course, that story’s awful. Like,

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you couldn’t hack it so your brother wouldn’t bail you out yet again,

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and so you’re you’re going to kill him for it, and then realizing what you’ve

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done, there’s no way out now, so he turned the gun on himself.

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An inquest into this all ruled that it was temporary insanity.

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This just did not go with who he was. It was kind of like he snapped at the end.

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And that’s kind of creepy because a lot of the stories that we looked into,

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it seems to be across the board. People just kind of lost it out of nowhere and just went insane.

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Yeah, it’s a common theme throughout.

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Sure, stories like this happen still to this day, right? When it comes to money,

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there’s always going to be some awful backhanded situation.

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This was tying back into, of course, the temporary insanity,

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but both brothers are now buried at Sleepy Hollow Cemetery. Both of them.

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I would be so mad if my brother killed me and I have to be buried next to him.

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Yeah.

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Or at least in the same cemetery.

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That also seems to be a theme that you will see throughout this story,

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that what is it that even if there is some sort of…

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Not even some sort of, just like, if something like that happens,

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that they’re still in the same plot Like, is that how the way this,

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is that the way this works? Because…

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I don’t know, but I know that Dale’s got a doozy of a story for us now that

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kind of follows the same insanity. So, if you want to go ahead and tell us that one, Dale.

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To jump right in, it’s a shortened version of the story,

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but the story is about the Strong family, and it revolves around the gentleman

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by the name of Mason R Strong.

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He was a 50 year old engineer and architect on Wall Street.

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He was very wealthy and he was married. He had a wife and four children and

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the children age ranges were 8 to 16.

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And the story goes that one day in December of the early 1900s,

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Strong attacked his entire family with an axe and then killed himself with a

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razor blade across his throat.

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What’s crazy is the youngest two of the four children, the 14-year-old and the 8-year-old, survived.

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And when they were finally found, two days after the murders had occurred,

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and speculation is that the entire family had been drugged, and that’s why they

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hadn’t been found until two days after.

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And when they arrived at the house, the kids just said, everybody’s sick.

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And so when they went in and discovered this massacre, these two kids were still alive.

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And also, kind of a fun fact, this house still stands, and it’s in,

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so the house itself is not in Sleepy Hollow.

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It’s on the Passaic in New Jersey, but the victims, as well as the father who

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killed them, they are all buried in the cemetery.

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And even more interesting, they all share a single plot, so a single headstone

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bearing all of their names and a single death year, which is wild.

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Like, how does that happen? Like, a father of a family just one day kills three

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of the people in his family.

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But wanted to kill them all.

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I think intended to kill them all, but the two children were just injured and

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not killed, and then kills himself, and then they are all buried.

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in the same family plot?

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I, no words, no words.

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That one doesn’t entirely blow, I mean, like, it doesn’t blow my mind because they were children.

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I could see them still being buried with their parents.

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I mean, Amanda and I have actually seen the monument or the headstone,

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whichever it is, on this plot. And it is all of their names like listed, single file in a row.

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And when we heard that story, we were kind of like, why?

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Why isn’t this father, you know, buried in an unmarked grave like he deserves?

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That’s the thing is, okay, so whatever you may believe, and we are clearly people

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who believe that there is, you know, a ghost, a soul, whatever it may be afterwards

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that can haunt the crap out of you.

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If I had to be buried next to my husband, who not only killed all of us,

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and now I’m stuck next to him for eternity?

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Are you kidding me? Yeah.

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Like, what? Also, can you imagine the brutality of that murder?

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Like, walking into that house, he killed them with an ax.

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And in December, which we’ve kind of talked about, and I don’t remember if this

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is something that I had learned on another podcast I listened to,

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or what it may be about the story, but they had the heat turned on really high

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in the house because it was winter and it was cold.

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So I do just want to point out something very disgusting.

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Yes.

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But when the heat is on that high and you have bodies there,

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for lack of a more appropriate term, rotting in high heat, those poor babies waking up in that.

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And I do just want to play, not devil’s advocate, of course,

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because this guy is the worst, But the fact that he drugged them beforehand

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leads me to believe that like.

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This may be one of those situations in that temporary insanity bracket where

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he, maybe he owed people a bunch of money, maybe he had done something and he

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felt like these people are going to kill my family so brutally,

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I want to do it so that there’s no pain.

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There’s something there in that drugging that kind of suggests that he did not

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want them to know what was happening to them. Or I might be reading too much into that, but.

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And the fact that he also killed himself. Like clearly there was some type of,

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I mean, you would hope that there was some type of remorse in what he had just

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done for him to then slit his throat. Like he very much wanted to not be there anymore.

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So I, not to continue this depression spiral, but the story that now Deena’s

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gonna tell us, she’s promised to blow our minds with it.

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I am about to blow your mind.

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I’m pumped.

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Okay, we’re ready. We’re ready.

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I do not mean that literally as the story I am about to tell you does involve a gunshot.

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Many people may have heard of a very famous street called Buckout,

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or I’m sorry, very famous road called Buckout Road.

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Are either of you familiar with that?

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I have heard of that, yes.

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Yes, it’s us.

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And it’s spelt as it sounds, B-U-C-K-O-U-T, okay?

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But there was actually a person with the last name Buckout, except it was spelt B-U-C-K-H-O-U-T.

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That to me is like Paris Hilton, like buck hot. It was so hot. A buck hot.

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Now that I’ve ruined the seriousness, let’s bring it back to murder. Yeah.

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Hey, you know, we don’t laugh, we cry, right?

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We have to have fun, right?

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That’s true. And he wasn’t a great guy.

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So very different than the stories you guys shared where I would like to think

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they had a shred of humanity, decency in them at one point, and maybe something

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sinister turned that in their brains.

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Buckout, however, was not a man of a strong repute.

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I shall say, he was said to have been an alcoholic, not really much of a worker.

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I think the money came from more the wife’s side of the family.

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And with that bit of alcoholism, apparently he also couldn’t help but believe

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that his wife was cheating on him and having several indiscretions,

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which I’m just seeing the spiral down of this man, right?

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And very similarly to what we’re hearing, again, around the holidays,

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which we all know is a very testy kind of time, right?

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You know, there’s a lot of stress amongst people because it’s the holidays,

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spending money, being with family, all the things. So technically the story

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starts right around Christmas because…

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Isaac, I believe his first name was, Isaac Buckout, went to go play a game of cards.

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And he was, he did not win, which, I mean, makes no surprise to me.

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Loser. Right?

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And yes, he was, you know, so immediately he goes to the bad,

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like, right, I must have been cheated. I must, something must have happened

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because how could I lose this money, right?

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And he’s playing this game with some neighbors that he hasn’t isolated yet because

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most of the people in the area did not like him.

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And he’s at the house of the Rendles. And after dinner, they sit around for

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this game of cards, right?

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Well, he loses. So he decides to invite them over to his house on New Year’s Day, okay?

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Well, when he gets, has them there, it’s Alfred Rendle, his son,

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Charles, Buckout’s wife, okay?

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And they’re all like sitting down and he’s treating them like royalty.

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He’s being oh so kind and then excuses himself from the room.

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And when he comes back, he has a double-barreled shotgun with him.

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Where he. Fantastic. Yes, he immediately kills Alfred Rendell.

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He shoots the son Charles in the, when what winds up being his eye,

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that Charles actually survives and then turn it even more brutal,

00:16:54.307 –> 00:16:57.209
he crushes his wife’s skull with the butt of the gun.

00:16:57.209 –> 00:16:57.590
Jesus.

00:16:57.590 –> 00:16:59.211
What?

00:16:59.211 –> 00:16:59.691
Okay, yep.

00:16:59.691 –> 00:17:01.212
The shift.

00:17:01.212 –> 00:17:04.735
Because again, his wife could have been cheating on him.

00:17:04.735 –> 00:17:06.236
Right. No proof, just.

00:17:06.236 –> 00:17:13.822
Exactly. He is arrested. He winds up going through three separate trials though

00:17:13.822 –> 00:17:18.025
before he is actually convicted of murder and then hanged.

00:17:19.026 –> 00:17:22.408
Can you explain to me why it took three trials?

00:17:22.989 –> 00:17:23.469
That’s wild.

00:17:23.469 –> 00:17:27.371
Quick question. Is this the one that’s considered the Sleepy Hollow Massacre, Dina?

00:17:27.371 –> 00:17:33.616
Yes, yes. So this is very well known, and it is printed in the New Yorker,

00:17:33.616 –> 00:17:39.640
which has an extremely detailed article, including all the different trials.

00:17:39.640 –> 00:17:45.143
So to connect it back to your story, Amanda, and it’s the New Yorker that came

00:17:45.143 –> 00:17:47.175
out in September of 1935.

00:17:48.306 –> 00:17:55.331
So much later after the actual events, but they do a really great job to really

00:17:55.331 –> 00:17:59.894
detail the questions that we’re at. Like how could it have taken three trials?

00:18:00.235 –> 00:18:06.579
And one of the reasons was the same thing, right? He tried to plead insanity.

00:18:07.100 –> 00:18:10.682
In all three trials, there was the usual conflict of evidence.

00:18:11.403 –> 00:18:16.889
Two or three doctors and experts from asylums testified that he was sane,

00:18:16.889 –> 00:18:24.261
but still the first jury disagreed, standing eight to four for conviction.

00:18:24.261 –> 00:18:24.762
What?

00:18:24.762 –> 00:18:27.607
I also think like this makes me.

00:18:28.659 –> 00:18:37.486
like I think about the women who were put on trial as witches and how like immediately

00:18:37.486 –> 00:18:41.649
were hung or burned at the stake.

00:18:42.410 –> 00:18:49.655
No trial, one guy saying that they were a witch and that was it.

00:18:50.876 –> 00:18:56.721
And they were tried for, you know, healing people or putting spells on people

00:18:56.721 –> 00:19:00.323
or little things like that. And now we have three stories of men.

00:19:01.444 –> 00:19:03.946
Pretty horrific, pretty horrific too.

00:19:04.327 –> 00:19:06.208
Who just lose it a little bit.

00:19:06.208 –> 00:19:10.471
To bring it back to something Dayelle said, this is where I’m gonna blow your minds right now.

00:19:10.471 –> 00:19:15.475
So we hear this story, and now we have this Buckout Road in White Plains.

00:19:15.475 –> 00:19:20.599
So again, it’s not Sleepy Hollow, but the Buckout, I believe the family are

00:19:20.599 –> 00:19:22.841
buried in Sleepy Hollow Cemetery, so there’s our connection.

00:19:22.841 –> 00:19:24.542
But Buckout Road is in White Plains.

00:19:24.542 –> 00:19:30.386
and it is considered to be one of the most haunted roads in the US.

00:19:30.386 –> 00:19:36.150
Like it’s a two mile stretch, but there are tons of stories that literally tie

00:19:36.150 –> 00:19:38.432
back to everything we’ve already talked about.

00:19:38.432 –> 00:19:45.437
There is a lady in white apparition on this road of Mary Buckout,

00:19:45.437 –> 00:19:50.060
who was the wife of Captain John Buckout, different people than we’re talking

00:19:50.060 –> 00:19:55.905
about here, but still where they lived to the age of 130 while Mary passed away 30 years prior.

00:19:55.905 –> 00:20:02.079
I can’t believe that somebody during this time period lived to the age of 130.

00:20:02.079 –> 00:20:04.771
130 in that time is 200, that’s 200 in today’s era. Jeez.

00:20:07.434 –> 00:20:09.295
She truly was a lady in white then.

00:20:09.295 –> 00:20:13.178
Yeah, yeah. But this is the even best, the chilling history.

00:20:13.178 –> 00:20:16.060
That’s because her skin was see-through. I’m just like, oh my God.

00:20:17.681 –> 00:20:20.624
There were apparently witchcraft trials in this area.

00:20:21.044 –> 00:20:27.139
So in the 1600s, there were three women who were accused of practicing witchcraft

00:20:27.139 –> 00:20:30.512
and burned at the stake near this road.

00:20:30.512 –> 00:20:35.816
So here we have a lady in white, we have three women accused of being witches,

00:20:35.816 –> 00:20:40.058
and now my all-time favorite, the curse of albino cannibals.

00:20:43.292 –> 00:20:43.773
Yeah.

00:20:43.773 –> 00:20:44.463
What?

00:20:44.463 –> 00:20:45.154
Right.

00:20:45.154 –> 00:20:45.834
Oh yeah.

00:20:45.834 –> 00:20:46.355
Okay.

00:20:46.355 –> 00:20:49.217
So apparently there was this house that they lived in.

00:20:49.217 –> 00:20:50.597
I was not ready for that sentence.

00:20:50.597 –> 00:20:50.818
No, no.

00:20:50.818 –> 00:20:53.680
I just wanted to let you know. I was not prepared for that sentence.

00:20:53.680 –> 00:20:54.460
But I am very intrigued.

00:20:54.460 –> 00:20:58.323
Okay. I’m shuffling my booty in my chair. I’m ready, go.

00:20:59.304 –> 00:21:02.846
So there was this house. It was, I think, literally called the Red House.

00:21:02.846 –> 00:21:08.190
It looks almost like a red barn that was converted into a house that these albino

00:21:08.190 –> 00:21:10.912
cannibals allegedly lived in.

00:21:11.392 –> 00:21:17.377
And it is said that if you were to park your car or even drive by and you honked

00:21:17.377 –> 00:21:21.490
your horn three times, the family would emerge and attack you,

00:21:21.490 –> 00:21:22.781
tearing you limb from limb.

00:21:24.443 –> 00:21:29.306
And personally, I think that’s just myth to get you not to honk your horn while

00:21:29.306 –> 00:21:30.167
driving on these streets.

00:21:30.968 –> 00:21:34.370
But the house was destroyed by a fire, so it does not stand anymore.

00:21:34.370 –> 00:21:38.514
But kids at these local high schools, right? White Plains, Sleepy Hollow,

00:21:38.514 –> 00:21:44.358
they apparently really like to play pranks and honk their horns and bang on the doors.

00:21:45.239 –> 00:21:54.186
And one night a teen apparently even attempted to put an M-80 in their mailbox, but- Well, that’s rude.

00:21:55.947 –> 00:22:00.090
Allegedly found a decapitated head of a child inside said mailbox.

00:22:00.090 –> 00:22:00.450
Great.

00:22:00.450 –> 00:22:01.391
I’m sorry.

00:22:01.391 –> 00:22:04.193
I mean, that’s where you put- What? That’s where you put heads,

00:22:04.193 –> 00:22:06.135
right? That’s a good spot.

00:22:06.776 –> 00:22:14.782
So I feel like the buck outs kind of started all of this legends of hauntings

00:22:14.782 –> 00:22:18.004
and things like that and it’s all tying back to this road.

00:22:18.004 –> 00:22:21.607
And I feel like it really does connect Sleepy Hollow with White Plains,

00:22:21.607 –> 00:22:24.069
which really kind of brings that Westchester County area together.

00:22:24.069 –> 00:22:25.510
Totally, agree. So spooky.

00:22:26.391 –> 00:22:27.672
In such a happy way.

00:22:27.972 –> 00:22:28.853
Yeah, great.

00:22:29.153 –> 00:22:33.536
I just didn’t think like one story could tie together our past episodes like

00:22:33.536 –> 00:22:35.437
that. I was like, you’re joking. That’s beautiful.

00:22:35.998 –> 00:22:39.940
That’s incredible. And, you know, back to what we spoke to up top,

00:22:39.940 –> 00:22:46.644
and I think we’ll speak more on this after our story time, is there is a…

00:22:47.800 –> 00:22:53.605
so many hauntings and stories of hauntings and crazy stories of people that

00:22:53.605 –> 00:22:55.867
are buried in the cemetery or lived around the area.

00:22:56.968 –> 00:23:02.212
And you can look up a much larger city or town in New York and you are not going

00:23:02.212 –> 00:23:06.215
to get a third of the creepiness that you can get when looking up Sleepy Hollow.

00:23:06.215 –> 00:23:11.559
But to tie these all together just to, again, like, we’re not just here like,

00:23:11.559 –> 00:23:13.861
oh, and hey, did you hear about this? Hey, did you hear about that?

00:23:13.861 –> 00:23:20.306
Right? How do these things keep happening? in such a gruesome fashion.

00:23:20.306 –> 00:23:21.887
It’s like a pool, something’s pulling it.

00:23:22.368 –> 00:23:25.910
And with Sleepy Hollow being such a small town,

00:23:25.910 –> 00:23:33.896
it seems hard to believe that these things would keep happening in such a small

00:23:33.896 –> 00:23:39.080
town over and over without some sort of- Transcending centuries, that’s the crazy part.

00:23:39.360 –> 00:23:42.523
This is not like this all happened in a 50-year period.

00:23:42.983 –> 00:23:47.126
We’re dating back to the 1600s and we just keep going. And we haven’t talked

00:23:47.126 –> 00:23:51.670
about more modern stories, you know, out of respect for the families.

00:23:51.670 –> 00:23:55.652
And some of them are really quite gruesome and horrific.

00:23:56.413 –> 00:24:03.018
And if you want to look up, there’s a great website that we stumbled upon. He does a great article.

00:24:03.659 –> 00:24:08.763
The website’s called Odd Things I’ve Seen. And the article was written by J.W.

00:24:08.763 –> 00:24:13.627
Auker. He writes macabre travelogues and some spooky kids’ books.

00:24:13.627 –> 00:24:18.390
But the website’s all about spooky things he finds in his travels and he kind

00:24:18.390 –> 00:24:21.773
of says like it’s palpable like you go to this place it is palpable there is

00:24:21.773 –> 00:24:25.236
an energy there and this kind of proves it.

00:24:25.236 –> 00:24:29.039
There definitely is something about it and you know as someone who frequents

00:24:29.039 –> 00:24:32.142
it every weekend as of right now I mean,

00:24:33.151 –> 00:24:36.614
I like to put a positive spin on it because I love going there.

00:24:37.235 –> 00:24:41.158
I’ve now infected Dayelle and kidnapped her.

00:24:41.158 –> 00:24:42.960
Yes.

00:24:42.960 –> 00:24:44.160
And dragged her there.

00:24:44.160 –> 00:24:45.221
And I can’t wait to go back.

00:24:46.122 –> 00:24:51.646
See, so like for people like us, it’s almost like we want to remember the dead.

00:24:51.646 –> 00:24:56.550
We want to know what really did happen, as Amanda said at the beginning,

00:24:56.550 –> 00:24:58.431
to honor these memories. So.

00:24:58.771 –> 00:24:59.712
Telling their stories.

00:24:59.712 –> 00:25:04.436
Yeah, so our facts might be off-base at certain times, because unfortunately,

00:25:04.436 –> 00:25:09.459
we’re kind of at the mercy of the internet, you know, to find and discover.

00:25:10.200 –> 00:25:13.282
God bless people like, you know, the New York Times and The New Yorker that

00:25:13.282 –> 00:25:14.402
really archive their publications.

00:25:16.805 –> 00:25:21.608
But it’s very hard to fact-check this stuff and to really dive deep.

00:25:21.608 –> 00:25:25.370
I mean, hello, something in, what’d I say, 1870, right?

00:25:26.131 –> 00:25:29.414
I mean, they didn’t have the kind of records that we have now.

00:25:29.414 –> 00:25:34.087
So it’s very hard to figure this out. And that’s why we definitely encourage

00:25:34.087 –> 00:25:37.900
people to give us that information. Let us know what you hear.

00:25:37.900 –> 00:25:41.203
And do your own research, too. Look into it.

00:25:41.203 –> 00:25:43.824
And tell us if you’ve experienced these things.

00:25:44.145 –> 00:25:46.467
And share it with us. Yeah, we want to hear these things.

00:25:46.467 –> 00:25:49.589
I want to know if somebody has traveled down Buckout Road and seen anything creepy.

00:25:49.929 –> 00:25:53.657
OK, dear listeners, we are going to take a quick break. And when we get back,

00:25:53.657 –> 00:25:56.331
our favorite part of the podcast, story time.

00:26:06.680 –> 00:26:12.404
Welcome back, residents of Folktown, are Dale and Dina, are you guys ready for our favorite part?

00:26:12.404 –> 00:26:13.385
Yes.

00:26:13.385 –> 00:26:14.246
Yes, I am.

00:26:14.246 –> 00:26:14.726
All right.

00:26:16.468 –> 00:26:20.090
So, cozy up, dear listener, because once again, it’s story time.

00:26:26.314 –> 00:26:33.559
Deep within the heart of Sleepy Hollow, an enigmatic tale wafts through the cool evening air.

00:26:34.240 –> 00:26:39.124
It is a tale of the Whitmore family, once vibrant and full of life,

00:26:39.124 –> 00:26:44.007
but who vanished on a night drenched in fog and mystery.

00:26:48.491 –> 00:26:52.794
The Whitmores were the picture of happiness. Charles, the family patriarch,

00:26:52.794 –> 00:26:58.918
his radiant wife Isabel and their two children, young Nathaniel and the ever-curious Eleanor.

00:27:00.760 –> 00:27:04.843
They resided in a stately manor, nestled close to the woods,

00:27:04.843 –> 00:27:09.406
a stone’s throw away from the town’s hauntingly beautiful cemetery.

00:27:10.487 –> 00:27:16.512
On a particular Hollow’s Eve, with the moon at its fullest, they held a grand

00:27:16.512 –> 00:27:17.953
celebration of their residence.

00:27:19.675 –> 00:27:25.819
Songs, laughter, and tales of old echoed across rooms, but as midnight approached,

00:27:25.819 –> 00:27:29.262
a mysterious fog crept upon the land.

00:27:35.407 –> 00:27:38.969
The ever-thickening mist seemed to have a life of its own.

00:27:39.710 –> 00:27:43.773
As tales of ancient spirits and legends of the hollow were traded,

00:27:43.773 –> 00:27:49.837
a chilling breeze swept through, extinguishing every flame in the Whitmore Manor.

00:27:51.779 –> 00:27:58.334
Chaos erupted. The guests, blinded by the dense fog and gripped by fear, scrambled for an exit.

00:28:04.256 –> 00:28:11.661
fog had finally lifted, a grim realization set in. The Whitmore family was nowhere to be found.

00:28:13.883 –> 00:28:18.786
Decades turned into centuries, and tales of spectral figures began to emerge.

00:28:19.767 –> 00:28:25.311
On Hallow’s Eve, under the silvery glow of the moon, shadows resembling the

00:28:25.311 –> 00:28:28.853
Whitmore family could be seen meandering through the cemetery,

00:28:28.853 –> 00:28:33.757
their laughter soft and distant carried with the wind.

00:28:35.538 –> 00:28:40.982
Curious adventurers, who dared to venture close, spoke of otherworldly encounters.

00:28:42.924 –> 00:28:48.226
Nathaniel playing with a ghostly dog. Eleanor holding a bouquet of luminous wildflowers.

00:28:49.868 –> 00:28:55.232
Charles and Isabel dancing silently to a tune only they could hear.

00:28:56.703 –> 00:29:03.477
A lingering aroma of lavender and a sensation of coldness marked their spectral presence.

00:29:04.378 –> 00:29:08.261
Hushed voices from the mist seemed to plead with the living,

00:29:08.261 –> 00:29:13.485
unveil our tale and release our souls.

00:29:15.286 –> 00:29:20.369
The Whitmoor Enigma remains. Were they ensnared by the spirits of old?

00:29:21.550 –> 00:29:24.432
Transported to another realm by forces beyond comprehension?

00:29:26.214 –> 00:29:29.336
Or does a more earthly mystery await its revelation?

00:29:30.497 –> 00:29:35.661
In the folds of Sleepy Hollow’s history, the Whitmoors are an enigmatic chapter.

00:29:36.501 –> 00:29:42.926
If you ever wander the cemetery on an eve such as theirs, tune your ears to the wind.

00:29:43.967 –> 00:29:49.451
Amongst the rustling leaves and the night’s whispers, you might catch a fragment

00:29:49.451 –> 00:29:54.354
of their timeless story, a story yearning for an end.

00:29:56.256 –> 00:30:03.467
well, dear listener, and may the tales of Sleepy Hollow not disturb your peaceful slumber.

00:30:08.986 –> 00:30:15.291
That was another great spooky story. I love it. I feel like they’re getting scarier for me.

00:30:15.291 –> 00:30:18.093
Because it’s real. And more mysterious.

00:30:19.474 –> 00:30:23.958
Do you think any of these people are haunting the cemetery today?

00:30:23.958 –> 00:30:27.500
I absolutely. Because these are horrific, horrific murders. Yes.

00:30:27.500 –> 00:30:29.142
So there’s got to be some hauntings.

00:30:29.142 –> 00:30:33.705
This movie has nothing to do with what we’re talking about, like plot wise,

00:30:33.705 –> 00:30:37.448
but the grudge, did you ever see the grudge back in the day?

00:30:37.869 –> 00:30:41.631
Yes, but that, that’s an old, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:30:42.292 –> 00:30:46.414
But there was something in that movie that always really stuck with me,

00:30:46.414 –> 00:30:49.116
right? Because it’s a Japanese legend, right?

00:30:49.717 –> 00:30:54.300
A folktale, and I love, or based on a folktale, which is kind of what we’re talking about now.

00:30:54.300 –> 00:30:59.290
And it basically is saying that if you die in a rage, right,

00:30:59.290 –> 00:31:02.906
you have all of this anger, your soul can’t rest.

00:31:02.906 –> 00:31:06.829
True. So look at the people that we’ve spoken about, the Strongs,

00:31:06.829 –> 00:31:10.772
the Buckouts, what was the, the Fords, right? That Amanda spoke about.

00:31:10.772 –> 00:31:16.215
I don’t believe for a second that they have been able to cross over.

00:31:16.215 –> 00:31:17.837
Yeah.

00:31:17.837 –> 00:31:25.141
Because what they did was so malicious. Yeah. That they have to pay one way or another, right?

00:31:25.141 –> 00:31:27.443
Well, and I think like, they have unfinished business, right?

00:31:27.724 –> 00:31:33.207
Like, especially the families that we’ve talked about, there were kids,

00:31:33.207 –> 00:31:39.933
you know, like how, how one minute you are living your life and the next it’s, you’re gone.

00:31:39.933 –> 00:31:49.040
And so I can only imagine being tied to a place because of that and wanting more and then staying.

00:31:49.981 –> 00:31:54.244
And if you think about how many residents are in the Sleepy Hollow Cemetery

00:31:54.244 –> 00:31:58.678
on top of the old Dutch church burying ground, which has been there since 1695.

00:32:01.492 –> 00:32:03.052
I mean, that’s a lot of people.

00:32:03.052 –> 00:32:08.418
That is a lot of people. And like probably even more than we know or have records

00:32:08.418 –> 00:32:11.281
for. I think that’s another thing is we don’t necessarily have.

00:32:12.767 –> 00:32:15.629
all the records of who’s even buried there.

00:32:16.030 –> 00:32:18.291
Right, because there are unmarked graves.

00:32:18.291 –> 00:32:21.333
Yeah, which is even more interesting.

00:32:21.333 –> 00:32:28.358
And a lot of woods in the Rockefeller Preserve that could lead to more.

00:32:28.738 –> 00:32:32.360
Okay, Dale, don’t you have a really creepy, weird story?

00:32:32.761 –> 00:32:37.704
Yeah, I do. So basically, this is a special from the New York Times,

00:32:37.704 –> 00:32:43.968
and it goes as this woman, who is a Slavic woman, She delivers milk.

00:32:43.968 –> 00:32:50.653
She is driving down a road and she comes across a body. A body that has been stabbed.

00:32:51.013 –> 00:32:55.256
She also notices that the knife is laying right next to the body.

00:32:56.758 –> 00:33:00.119
She obviously continues on her way. She goes into the town.

00:33:01.100 –> 00:33:06.204
She finds a butcher that she knows, tells the butcher that she found this body.

00:33:06.204 –> 00:33:10.206
The butcher then goes to the police and tells the police.

00:33:10.206 –> 00:33:15.969
The police then go back to the woman and try to convince her to take them to

00:33:15.969 –> 00:33:17.390
where she found this body.

00:33:17.390 –> 00:33:23.332
Where was the body? So the body was at a farm, the front of a farm,

00:33:23.332 –> 00:33:27.514
or the entrance of a farm, duck farm, on John D.

00:33:27.514 –> 00:33:33.977
Rockefeller’s estate. So they go back to where said body is supposed to be,

00:33:33.977 –> 00:33:35.438
however the body’s not there.

00:33:36.251 –> 00:33:37.272
Of course it’s not.

00:33:37.272 –> 00:33:43.137
Oh, right. It’s not there. So she obviously is like, well, the body was there.

00:33:43.137 –> 00:33:48.341
And also he was very well dressed and had a brand new pair of shoes on. So where is this body?

00:33:48.341 –> 00:33:49.422
That’s an important fact.

00:33:49.422 –> 00:33:56.968
Where is his body? And the police believe that the body had been taken and thrown

00:33:56.968 –> 00:34:01.391
into the fields somewhere on the Rockefeller’s estate, never to be found again.

00:34:01.391 –> 00:34:07.736
There’s no stories, there’s no case, file, nothing. Like literally there’s nothing

00:34:07.736 –> 00:34:09.617
out there. Except for this article.

00:34:11.420 –> 00:34:15.462
What happens to her? She just goes back to delivering milk.

00:34:16.273 –> 00:34:21.227
Except an even weirder twist to this story is one day she’s on the same road

00:34:21.227 –> 00:34:28.052
again and a random guy jumps out at her and tries to attack her but she fights

00:34:28.052 –> 00:34:32.436
back and gets away And then from that day forward,

00:34:32.436 –> 00:34:35.838
she carries a revolver. And that’s the end of the story.

00:34:35.838 –> 00:34:37.680
My girl, my girl.

00:34:37.680 –> 00:34:42.643
You know what I’m picturing? Because you said he was well-dressed and new shoes.

00:34:42.643 –> 00:34:46.926
First off, I don’t understand how this woman could have figured out these shoes were new.

00:34:46.926 –> 00:34:47.987
Picked up on that.

00:34:47.987 –> 00:34:52.671
Okay, but I mean, it’s the Rockefeller estate. So what if it was someone that

00:34:52.671 –> 00:34:57.194
was like stumbling out of this area, like a friend? I guess it wouldn’t be a

00:34:57.194 –> 00:35:01.618
friend because then they would have reported him missing. There would have been some sort of…

00:35:02.499 –> 00:35:06.522
Wait, hold on. I’m making up a story. Yeah. I’m making up a story,

00:35:06.522 –> 00:35:09.644
guys. Yeah, that’s what I’m trying to do. He’s at a party at the Rockefeller

00:35:09.644 –> 00:35:11.606
Estate, right? That’s what I’m picturing. Shit’s getting wild.

00:35:12.457 –> 00:35:16.550
Maybe some illegal drugs are going around. Something’s getting a little crazy, you know?

00:35:16.550 –> 00:35:18.011
The hooch is flowing.

00:35:18.071 –> 00:35:23.941
It’s flowing. And he trips and falls and hits his head and dies.

00:35:23.941 –> 00:35:28.228
And they’re like, yeah, we can’t have this here. Like, we’re big people.

00:35:28.228 –> 00:35:29.108
We’re the Rockefellers. So.

00:35:31.629 –> 00:35:35.212
we think he’s dead, we’re just gonna go dump his body because we can’t be having

00:35:35.212 –> 00:35:38.114
people dying at this party that’s illegal with all these illegal things.

00:35:38.434 –> 00:35:41.437
And so they go to dump his body, but then the motherfucker wakes up.

00:35:41.437 –> 00:35:43.999
And they’re like, ah! And they kill him.

00:35:45.140 –> 00:35:46.681
But they just had a knife on them?

00:35:47.582 –> 00:35:50.263
Sure, it’s the 1900s, maybe too.

00:35:50.263 –> 00:35:54.767
To bring it back to that point, how do you leave the murder weapon?

00:35:55.568 –> 00:35:56.748
Yeah, that’s real dumb.

00:35:56.748 –> 00:35:57.689
You left in a hurry.

00:35:58.370 –> 00:35:59.251
Somebody messed up.

00:35:59.751 –> 00:36:03.614
But then when the police show up, the body is gone, the murder weapon is gone,

00:36:03.614 –> 00:36:07.457
it’s almost like, did it say something like maybe there’s like blood or something?

00:36:07.457 –> 00:36:12.001
Yeah, there was obvious signs of blood. So like there was a body there.

00:36:12.001 –> 00:36:14.603
Okay, so they know she wasn’t crazy.

00:36:14.603 –> 00:36:21.648
But then also here’s another like twist maybe is who was the guy that attacked her?

00:36:21.648 –> 00:36:24.631
What? I don’t mean to laugh.

00:36:24.631 –> 00:36:25.831
Was he involved?

00:36:26.172 –> 00:36:27.733
This woman’s a magnet for this.

00:36:27.733 –> 00:36:33.237
And didn’t want her to say anything. Because she’s the only witness to the body.

00:36:33.237 –> 00:36:36.399
She’s the one that found the body. She was the only one that saw the body.

00:36:36.399 –> 00:36:40.702
The police officers saw the blood, but they did not see the body.

00:36:41.023 –> 00:36:45.986
Maybe he was somebody of power, and that’s why there was no follow-up articles

00:36:45.986 –> 00:36:48.208
and things like that. And they tried to take her out.

00:36:49.090 –> 00:36:50.992
Thank you for coming to this episode of Dateline.

00:36:53.417 –> 00:36:53.958
1900s edition.

00:36:54.659 –> 00:36:58.826
I am so glad she got away and you know, but still you know talking about the

00:36:58.826 –> 00:37:00.749
hauntings. I mean just yet another body.

00:37:02.346 –> 00:37:03.927
That’s never been explained.

00:37:04.688 –> 00:37:10.973
Another one that, this one’s actually kind of awful, but there’s the Armour

00:37:10.973 –> 00:37:13.335
Steiner’s house of Oedipus.

00:37:13.415 –> 00:37:14.616
Oh, I’ve been there.

00:37:15.477 –> 00:37:20.360
Okay, have you heard about this? There’s a ghost that exudes an exquisite and

00:37:20.360 –> 00:37:25.204
unidentifiable fragrance according to a passage in a book written by a poet

00:37:25.204 –> 00:37:26.705
and historian, Carl Carmer.

00:37:26.986 –> 00:37:31.909
The ghost’s identity is unknown, but they think it might be Aliko Lilius,

00:37:31.909 –> 00:37:38.354
a Finnish writer, or the woman who he lived with, who was a 20th century lady

00:37:38.354 –> 00:37:41.516
pirate who made a fortune plundering the vessels of the China seas.

00:37:41.516 –> 00:37:46.600
Get it, girl. What? The theories have also arisen that the ghost is Paul J.

00:37:46.600 –> 00:37:50.042
Armour, the New York banker who built the house in 1860, or Joseph Steiner.

00:37:50.763 –> 00:37:53.785
I think they’re just really throwing anything at the wall to see where it sticks.

00:37:54.146 –> 00:38:00.510
But the whole thing is the ghost has this very intense fragrance that people

00:38:00.510 –> 00:38:04.774
don’t really see anything or hear anything, but they are smelling the scent

00:38:04.774 –> 00:38:07.115
for what? This was 1860s, so…

00:38:07.896 –> 00:38:11.839
I did hear that on the tour that I had went on.

00:38:12.199 –> 00:38:17.403
First off, that house is pretty incredible to go look at because it’s the octagon

00:38:17.403 –> 00:38:20.265
house. It’s in the shape of an octagon, first off.

00:38:22.007 –> 00:38:24.869
That’s wild. It is. You can’t go like all the way to the top,

00:38:24.869 –> 00:38:30.953
but you can go very, very high. And they also have a white lady that haunts that area.

00:38:30.953 –> 00:38:31.833
Bum, bum, bum.

00:38:31.833 –> 00:38:33.535
Yeah.

00:38:33.535 –> 00:38:38.038
Dina, can you tell us about the bronze lady of Sleepy Hollow Cemetery?

00:38:38.038 –> 00:38:42.842
Oh, I sure can. Because, you know, bringing up everything that is Sleepy Hollow

00:38:42.842 –> 00:38:45.364
really ties back to the cemetery.

00:38:45.364 –> 00:38:50.487
But it’s strange though, because we’re talking about so many things that,

00:38:50.487 –> 00:38:56.712
and probably leaving so many things out from the 1600s, the 1700s, 1800s.

00:38:57.272 –> 00:39:01.165
The Sleepy Hollow Cemetery wasn’t even built until 1849.

00:39:01.165 –> 00:39:06.839
But like many of these things predate the Sleepy Hollow Cemetery actually for me.

00:39:06.839 –> 00:39:12.463
Right? Now the Strongs, the Rendles, they are in the Sleepy Hollow Cemetery,

00:39:12.463 –> 00:39:17.246
but no one said that that’s when the hauntings began. Right?

00:39:18.207 –> 00:39:25.210
You know, with Washington Irving having written the legend of Sleepy Hollow in 1819, right?

00:39:26.892 –> 00:39:32.274
There’s still all of these Irish lore and German lore and of course the Native

00:39:32.274 –> 00:39:37.838
Americans that were there first that had their own stories and legends, right?

00:39:37.838 –> 00:39:38.478
Oh, totally.

00:39:38.478 –> 00:39:42.880
So now we have the Sleepy Hollow Cemetery that forms and then we have,

00:39:44.084 –> 00:39:49.468
these elaborate mausoleums being built, right, in the northern part of the cemetery.

00:39:49.468 –> 00:39:52.631
In the northern part of the cemetery we have the Rockefellers,

00:39:52.631 –> 00:39:55.473
then across the way is the Archibalds,

00:39:55.473 –> 00:40:02.628
and then kind of next to them, semi behind them, is the mausoleum for the Civil

00:40:02.628 –> 00:40:04.670
War General Samuel Thomas.

00:40:04.670 –> 00:40:11.365
Now his mausoleum is very plain, I’d say for the most part, not to knock You

00:40:11.365 –> 00:40:14.347
know, like, everything doesn’t have to always be elaborate. It’s not like you’re

00:40:14.347 –> 00:40:19.610
gonna look at it. But he decided, actually, his wife decided to have this statue commissioned.

00:40:21.932 –> 00:40:25.955
And she is now known as the Bronze Lady. And she’s kind of gotten,

00:40:25.955 –> 00:40:29.558
she’s, we saw, referred to as another legend…

00:40:29.558 –> 00:40:30.318
Yes. …of.

00:40:30.318 –> 00:40:36.947
Sleepy Hollow because of all of these things. So, when General Thomas’ wife

00:40:36.947 –> 00:40:41.987
commissioned the, uh, the sculptor Andrew O’Connor Jr.

00:40:41.987 –> 00:40:47.531
to create this. It kind of has a funny story that still could kind of tie into

00:40:47.531 –> 00:40:53.356
this whole unhappiness feeling as to why curses or hauntings happen.

00:40:55.118 –> 00:40:58.840
Because she had it, I’m sorry, I can’t help but laugh because it’s kind of ridiculous.

00:40:58.840 –> 00:41:03.664
But she had it built almost to kind of like look over his mausoleum, right?

00:41:03.744 –> 00:41:04.405
Watch him.

00:41:04.925 –> 00:41:08.047
Yeah, but I think also to mourn for him, right?

00:41:08.428 –> 00:41:16.434
So O’Connor makes this beautiful statue and gives it even a name that is,

00:41:16.434 –> 00:41:21.197
in my opinion, possibly French, I can’t pronounce it because I will probably

00:41:21.197 –> 00:41:24.240
ruin it, but it means grief. And so she seems sad.

00:41:24.860 –> 00:41:29.123
Well, the wife didn’t like that. She wanted her to be happier.

00:41:30.024 –> 00:41:35.348
And I kid you not, the story goes that Andrew O’Connor decided to make a new

00:41:35.348 –> 00:41:43.575
head that was more appealing to the wife and she liked it.

00:41:43.575 –> 00:41:49.059
And then he smashed it on the ground and was like, no, that will never be on the statue.

00:41:49.900 –> 00:41:50.600
That’s wild.

00:41:53.643 –> 00:41:57.186
So, I mean, I’m with him. I think it’s supposed to show grief.

00:41:57.186 –> 00:42:02.069
Many angels are usually crying or sad, melancholy, right?

00:42:03.191 –> 00:42:08.414
So the statues across the way, back in the 60s and 70s before obviously the

00:42:08.414 –> 00:42:13.318
cemetery got locked, because of all of this, right? People got to ruin it for everybody.

00:42:13.619 –> 00:42:17.021
The cemetery was actually a big kind of a party spot.

00:42:17.021 –> 00:42:17.742
Hangout.

00:42:17.742 –> 00:42:18.943
Yeah, it was a hangout.

00:42:19.343 –> 00:42:22.984
I totally would have done that. I just want to point that out.

00:42:22.898 –> 00:42:26.180
I totally would have hung out in the cemetery. I don’t know.

00:42:26.721 –> 00:42:27.501
I’ve done it.

00:42:27.501 –> 00:42:28.482
Are there streetlights?

00:42:28.482 –> 00:42:31.485
No.

00:42:31.485 –> 00:42:33.356
Yeah, we’ve talked about that kind of dark.

00:42:33.706 –> 00:42:36.068
Super dark and creepy. The best.

00:42:36.788 –> 00:42:42.793
So I feel like, Dale, you had found some of the stories from real people who

00:42:42.793 –> 00:42:45.585
had messed with this statue.

00:42:45.585 –> 00:42:51.920
Yes, the bronze lady and the creepy ghost stories that kind of go along with the bronze lady.

00:42:51.920 –> 00:42:55.682
A lot of them are like little kids and then different generations of those kids

00:42:55.682 –> 00:42:58.664
coming back to the cemetery and doing the same thing,

00:42:58.664 –> 00:43:05.149
but it goes that there was, if you go into the cemetery, if you wander into

00:43:05.149 –> 00:43:11.073
the cemetery at night and you creep amongst the tombstones and the mausoleums,

00:43:11.073 –> 00:43:12.594
you’ll find the bronze lady, obviously.

00:43:13.054 –> 00:43:20.619
What is said is if you climb onto the bronze lady’s lap and you slap her face.

00:43:21.020 –> 00:43:22.260
Why? I hate that.

00:43:23.701 –> 00:43:31.065
I don’t know why. Every story that I could find is either someone hitting her

00:43:31.065 –> 00:43:33.147
in the face or slapping her in the face.

00:43:33.467 –> 00:43:41.051
And then after doing that, you go over and you look into the mausoleum door people’s door.

00:43:41.051 –> 00:43:44.733
Yeah, uh-huh.

00:43:44.733 –> 00:43:54.499
If you see somebody, it is said to be the bronze lady and you’ll be cursed with bad luck.

00:43:55.120 –> 00:44:01.935
And what’s crazy about that is there was a woman who actually experienced going

00:44:01.935 –> 00:44:03.306
and sitting on the bronze lady.

00:44:03.306 –> 00:44:12.013
She not only slapped the bronze lady’s face, but She also kicked the bronze lady’s shins.

00:44:13.394 –> 00:44:15.836
She deserves everything bad that’s about to happen to her.

00:44:15.996 –> 00:44:20.029
Then went over and continued on and did the whole looking through.

00:44:20.029 –> 00:44:27.825
She believed that it was just a stupid little kid’s tale, didn’t think anything of it.

00:44:29.627 –> 00:44:37.893
However, two or three days later, there was a crazy storm and her car was hit

00:44:37.893 –> 00:44:41.496
was hit and crushed by a tree limb falling on it.

00:44:41.496 –> 00:44:44.928
And so she, from that moment, was like, mm-mm.

00:44:46.497 –> 00:44:47.197
That is…

00:44:47.197 –> 00:44:52.501
Just because it wasn’t the same day or like the moment she left the cemetery, I think coincidental.

00:44:52.501 –> 00:44:56.665
But I also found it interesting that in her story, she was very much like,

00:44:56.665 –> 00:45:03.730
she didn’t, she automatically was like, oh no, that was because I did that. Like, that is from that.

00:45:03.730 –> 00:45:09.194
Bad luck is bad luck. I’ll add to that and say that I had read that if you knock

00:45:09.194 –> 00:45:10.595
on the door, like you had said.

00:45:10.595 –> 00:45:12.457
Yes, like three times.

00:45:12.457 –> 00:45:16.660
Right, like it’s either once or three times. And that three number,

00:45:16.660 –> 00:45:21.083
I feel like very much comes up when we’re talking about like the devil,

00:45:21.083 –> 00:45:21.924
things like that, right?

00:45:21.924 –> 00:45:23.445
Like three AM, blah, blah, blah, right?

00:45:23.905 –> 00:45:29.469
And that you’ll have bad dreams that night. And I find that funny because I

00:45:29.469 –> 00:45:32.211
can have bad dreams no matter what, but that comes with stress,

00:45:32.211 –> 00:45:32.592
right? I don’t need help.

00:45:32.592 –> 00:45:33.432
Yeah, I don’t need help.

00:45:33.432 –> 00:45:38.816
I don’t need help, yeah, exactly. But the idea of like hearing the bronze lady

00:45:38.816 –> 00:45:43.580
crying or that she’d cry tears of blood,

00:45:43.580 –> 00:45:49.484
I want to relate that back again to the wife, Anne Thomas.

00:45:49.945 –> 00:45:55.909
So she had passed away in 1944 and joined her husband in the mausoleum.

00:45:55.909 –> 00:45:58.851
She was a hundred years old when she passed, okay?

00:45:59.772 –> 00:46:00.873
Basically 700, yeah, got it.

00:46:01.474 –> 00:46:06.777
People said that it was because she insulted the bronze lady,

00:46:06.777 –> 00:46:09.519
originally saying that she should have been like happier, right?

00:46:09.519 –> 00:46:16.164
That that is why this spookiness started and then when she was entombed,

00:46:16.164 –> 00:46:23.149
now that she’s kind of facing the bronze lady, it was like adding insult to injury almost.

00:46:23.149 –> 00:46:28.893
I mean, I just, I thought, I thought that was like insane to hear that.

00:46:28.893 –> 00:46:33.356
Yeah, and you know, I will say that this is the thing.

00:46:33.717 –> 00:46:39.643
So this is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to these types of stories,

00:46:39.643 –> 00:46:44.449
when it comes to Sleepy Hollow, Tarrytown, That whole area, literally the tip of the iceberg.

00:46:45.392 –> 00:46:50.056
When we tell you we could not pick just a couple stories, I highly recommend

00:46:50.056 –> 00:46:53.639
you do your own research because we’ll keep saying it again and again,

00:46:53.639 –> 00:46:57.962
go visit the town, go check out the cemetery, go check out the octagon house,

00:46:57.962 –> 00:46:59.103
go check out the old Dutch church.

00:46:59.804 –> 00:47:02.826
These places, we can’t describe to you how it feels to be there,

00:47:02.826 –> 00:47:05.929
but if you go, especially if you go on this recommendation you’ve never been,

00:47:05.929 –> 00:47:09.812
please, please tell us because I want to hear all of your stories.

00:47:09.812 –> 00:47:11.613
Yeah, we want to know. Yeah, absolutely.

00:47:11.613 –> 00:47:12.754
We’re just scratching at the surface.

00:47:14.095 –> 00:47:16.597
Barely, barely scratching at the surface this one.

00:47:16.597 –> 00:47:17.357
It’s a tickle.

00:47:17.357 –> 00:47:20.099
I think the Bronze Lady is a beautiful spot to end this episode.

00:47:20.099 –> 00:47:22.941
It’s also a beautiful spot to see, like the view is phenomenal.

00:47:22.941 –> 00:47:27.444
It’s so beautiful. It’s a beautiful view, and honestly the statue’s quite impressive.

00:47:27.444 –> 00:47:30.306
It’s gorgeous. The fact that it’s, yeah, it’s really beautiful.

00:47:30.306 –> 00:47:32.327
We’ll post some pictures of it on our socials.

00:47:32.748 –> 00:47:38.051
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00:47:38.051 –> 00:47:43.675
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00:47:44.276 –> 00:47:48.799
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00:47:48.799 –> 00:47:52.522
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00:47:52.522 –> 00:47:57.405
We want to hear your feedback, and we’re really excited for next week.

00:47:57.405 –> 00:48:01.848
It’s a little bit of a sad episode because it is the final episode of Folktown

00:48:01.848 –> 00:48:06.962
Chapter One, Sleepy Hollow, but we are bringing the heat next week.

00:48:07.052 –> 00:48:13.006
It is all about Washington Irving, and of course, the legend of the Headless Horseman.

00:48:13.497 –> 00:48:19.541
The reason we all even started here. Looking into this little sleepy town.

00:48:20.182 –> 00:48:26.426
Okay, residents of Folktown, we will see you next week with the legend of Sleepy Hollow.

00:48:27.067 –> 00:48:27.687
Stay safe.

00:48:27.687 –> 00:48:28.188
Bye.

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