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Hey guys, have you heard of the legend of Sleepy Hollow?

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Yeah, the Headless Horseman?

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No, don’t you mean Ichabod Crane?

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No, I mean the other legend of Sleepy Hollow. That’s today on Folktown.

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This week on Folktown, Sleepy Hollow, a town that’s anything but sleepy.

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Welcome to Folktale.

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Hello, dear listeners. Welcome back. So this is week two of our Sleepy Hollow adventure.

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And this week’s tale is The Witches of Sleepy Hollow.

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Dayelle, you want to lead us into this? Yeah.

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So it is worth noting that Hudson Valley, where Sleepy Hollow is located,

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has a rich history of Dutch settlers.

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These settlers brought with them their European beliefs in the supernatural,

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including tales of witches, ghosts, and other apparitions.

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Over time, these stories became woven into the local folklore,

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creating the enchanting tapestry of legends that the area is known for today.

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Dum, dum, dum.

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I love talking all things witches. I think we all do.

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Absolutely. Practical magic?

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Yeah, I literally, as you were saying that, I was thinking this scene coming

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down the stairs as they’re singing.

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Put the lime in the coconut. Yep.

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Dale, did I or did I not tell you the one day I left the studio,

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I was like, I’m going home to get margarita stuff so I can make midnight margaritas

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and watch Practical Magic. And that was like September. Yep.

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I have already started a list just based on our pre-conversation of all the

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movies that I need to watch in the next two weeks.

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Yes. I feel like watching Practical Magic is like a October 1st kind of like rite of passage.

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You have to.

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You just have to do it. It’s fantastic. So, I’m…

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We’re going to obviously talk about the witches of Sleepy Hollow,

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especially Hulda the Witch, the main story of the Witch of Sleepy Hollow.

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But what do you think it is about witches that, especially females,

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that love all things spooky? We just love it.

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Maybe it’s the persecution of just being a woman and how you were blamed for

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everything and burned at the stake if you, you know, had PMS. Yeah. Yeah.

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I think it even like I’m not gonna go too far into this But I feel like it’s

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even kind of goes all the way into like biblical times because like as far back

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as like Eve taking the apple and You know,

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she’s the reason for all the terrible things that happen to men,

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you know, like that’s kind of an interesting little like she took that apple

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after the snake told her to and and all these terrible things happen.

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You mean the devil?

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Yeah, the devil.

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The devil.

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I’m just saying if Lucifer were to tell me to take it up, I’d be like,

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are you gonna have one too? Can we do this together? I’m in if you’re in.

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I’m down. I’ll show you mine if you show me yours.

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After watching that series, Tom can do no wrong by me.

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I’m so glad you brought that up. That is, that’s another, that’s another episode. Absolutely.

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I just find, I feel like witches are so interesting because there really is

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no, like I still have friends today that identify with themselves in witchcraft

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and they practice the occult.

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And it’s fascinating to me because it is really all about healing and using

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natural healing and using Mother Earth and like, you know, I’m not gonna act

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like I know what I’m talking about, because I don’t, I certainly don’t, but you know, the…

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you hear stories of witches literally from the beginning of time.

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Yeah.

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In some way, shape or another, like you said, back to biblical times.

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And I kind of love, I don’t know, it’s maybe the one thing in the universe of

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spooky stuff that I’m like, no, that shit could, is real.

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It could really happen.

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Yeah. I totally, yeah.

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I mean, did we all think we were part of the craft? Like, did we all?

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It’s like you’re reading my mind, because I was like, that’s on my list too,

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because that’s such a classic movie.

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But I also just want to add, we talked about the white lady last week, right?

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And that to me really transitions my brain into thinking about witches because

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we have light and dark, right? That there’s always like a yin and a yang.

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There’s always this need to have a balance in nature, right?

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And when we see the white lady, we talked about last week, right?

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and it wasn’t something that necessarily was evil. And I don’t equate white

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with evil, right? Symbolism, okay?

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So when I’m thinking of these things, we could have good witches,

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we could have bad witches. We’ve all seen the Wizard of Oz, right?

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So we have good witches and bad witches. And it was just one of those things

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that people wanted to sacrifice what they didn’t understand.

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I was just gonna say that. I was like, people fear what they don’t understand.

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And we still do.

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Yep, so true. Absolutely.

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And I mean, just the vernacular around witches and witch hunts.

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Every single time that a marginalized group of society is being,

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you know, people are going after them, we always refer to it as the witch hunt.

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Oh, the witch hunt for this group or witch hunt for that group.

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And I think all of my favorite television shows, movies, books,

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anything has something to do with witchcraft and or a witch.

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100%. There’s always a witch in them, but there is, maybe it’s because it’s so close to fantasy.

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It’s the closest I can get to fantasy that actually seems real, right?

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It’s like attainable.

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Yes, we’re not riding on the back of dragons as much as I wish we could.

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We’re not doing, but witchcraft is, I have friends who practice witchcraft and do it beautifully.

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And there’s, Hillary Burton just came out out with a book this week called The

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Grimoire Girl about her life through witchcraft. And if you did not watch One

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Tree Hill, come on, it’s Peyton Sawyer.

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Yeah, I actually, what’s funny about that is I just saw a interview with her

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talking about, well, she wasn’t talking about her new book because she can’t,

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but she was talking about past and other people’s work.

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Why, she didn’t want to give too much away?

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No, because of the strike. They cannot promote themselves. So she…

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segwayed away from herself.

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We’ll do it for her. Yeah. We’ll do it for her. And I think that witchcraft,

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I mean, especially with our story today, it was more often than not a female

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with a lot of intelligence, a female that could question society, or a female that…

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I mean, let’s bring it back to the Scarlet Letter. Like you did anything that

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was the opposite of what the male-dominated world wanted you to do,

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you were labeled a witch, and there was no coming back from that.

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Oh, I think…

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And men as well, right?

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Yeah, but to a lesser degree, I think. But I think my favorite amongst all of

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my research is how if you got to a certain age and you were single as a woman,

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you were a witch. I was like, man, I am screwed.

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I mean, I’m not married, so your girl would have been living in sin dead.

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I’m like, what on earth makes you think, Like why, why are those two things connected?

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I think it’s interesting too, because I think even like,

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I mean, a lot of shows today have witches in them, but most of the time they’re

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healers and like the people around them think that they are witches because

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they knew how to heal someone.

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And so automatically, if a woman knows how to do something,

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especially something that a man, a male doctor who can’t cure a disease or an

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illness with his, you know, the father that comes to like, you know,

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bless them and it doesn’t work.

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And then it’s like, oh no, that child is poisoned.

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You need to give them something till they throw up the poison and they’re cured. Oh, she’s a witch.

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Are you referring to Outlander?

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I mean, maybe.

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Oh!

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I was, I was in my brain. I was like, you tell them.

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Cause I was gonna bring that up. Cause again, she was referred to as a white witch.

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A white lady. Yeah.

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And she was just a healer. And so I think that brings us perfectly into,

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let’s segue, you two little chicken nuts on the same page, how cute are you?

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That brings us to our story today about Hilda the witch. So Dayella has done

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what looks like about six pages of research over here on this story.

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No, not six pages. I actually, I did the least amount on Hilda because I knew

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Dina would bring all of the stuff for that story.

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That’s all I got I just looked up lots of

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other little stories and tidbits So I’ll do like

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one now and then I can do some after our that’s official story but one of the

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stories that I found that I thought was kind of interesting and cool and also

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I Am so curious to know if this actually exists You couldn’t really find any

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information if it’s real or not.

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So anyway, but the story is It is called uh, the witch tree.

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And apparently, it’s near- What did it do? Uh-huh. So, this tree exists near

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the old Dutch church, and it’s said to be like a super gnarly-looking tree.

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And it’s been there for as long, and maybe even before the church was there.

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And the legend is that witches used it to gather under the tree,

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so when it was night and they would perform dark rituals.

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But the interesting thing is the tree that was in that exact location is what

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the debate is over because people say that the tree is there,

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but then other people say that the tree is not there. And I’ve- What?

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Yeah, I’ve never- Dina, I was gonna ask if you knew the exact location.

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Yeah, so it’s supposedly next to the old Dutch church. And it’s a pretty like

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specific looking tree. Like it’s got some weathering.

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It’s supposed to be like very gnarly.

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And I don’t know, like, I don’t know if it exists, but the other kind of funky

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thing is that it’s supposed to be, it is a legend of Sleepy Hollow.

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So the tree- I will say,

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I noticed for the first time that, I noticed it this weekend,

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actually, when I was walking through the burial ground of the Old Dutch Church,

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which I don’t normally do, because it’s a complete separate entity from the

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Sleepy Hollow Cemetery, but

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there is a huge tree, I guess I would say on the north end of the church,

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that has actually grown around a headstone.

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Oh, interesting.

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So I, yeah, and it’s really cool, but kind of unfortunate for the headstone

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because the side of it that has the writing on it is on the inside of the tree

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now. So I don’t have no idea whose headstone this is.

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So you can’t even see it.

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Yeah, so maybe, maybe I, cause I was so focused on that, that I was like,

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oh my God, that’s so crazy that this, it’s literally, I’ll take a picture of

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it next time it’s for you. But maybe that could be the tree because that’s kind of odd in itself.

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And the other, well, the other interesting thing is that it said that if the,

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so that they believe that the tree is cursed, and if anyone tries to cut it

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down or it’s removed, that person would be cursed forever.

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Do we think a cursed object of some kind could be on holy ground though?

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I don’t know, but then there’s also like the plot kind of thickens,

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and we’ll dive into that when we talk more about Hilda, but because of where

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she might or might not be buried.

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Does that have something to do with?

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It’s right by that tree, that’s how I saw it.

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Yeah, and also she did not have a grave for a really long time,

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right? There was like a yellow stick in the ground.

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A flag, yeah.

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That like denoted, yeah, denoted her grave, but people kept stealing it.

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She didn’t have a headstone for a very long time.

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Okay.

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Because she is not Christian.

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Right, so she couldn’t be buried in a cemetery.

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But she was as a, because of her story she was, but I think it was because she

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wasn’t Christian, she didn’t get the headstone.

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You know, some stupid technicality, you know?

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I think there’s like a blessing or something.

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So Dayle, do you have any more creepy little witch stories over there? I do.

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I have two more.

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I wanna hear something better than a tree.

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So one of the stories I read about was hex marks on houses in Sleepy Hollow.

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So apparently, if you look at certain houses, like houses that have been there forever,

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again, I’ve never been here, So I have no point of reference for this stuff,

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but it’s said that there are permanent hex marks that were either painted or carved onto the houses.

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And they’re symbols and they’re pretty obvious, but some of them are hidden

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or slightly covered by like vines and stuff that have grown over.

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And apparently you can find them on barns and the homes.

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And they were believed to be placed there

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to ward off witches and evil spirits and other supernatural misfortunes because

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apparently there were a ton of families that were cursed and things would just

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start happening over the years that they started putting these on their houses

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to ward off all the supernatural.

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Well now I’m gonna now I want to look at everybody’s house.

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I know.

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I’m gonna get arrested for trespassing because I’m gonna be like,

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Ma’am, you have vines on the side of your home. What year was this built?

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Have you done renovations?

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I know, and I, yeah, so I’m curious to see houses. Well, and I also wonder,

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like, if some of these houses have been renovated, did they leave the marks

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without knowing what they were?

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Because it might be a cool little mark and you don’t think anything of it, you just leave it there.

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I’m telling you right now, if that was on my house, I’d be like, you’re staying.

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So the moment you said that, I felt I had to Google, because I was just like,

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I need to visualize this.

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And yeah, this is the stuff that scares me.

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Yeah, well, and they also, so what’s interesting about that is,

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they were like, this is not exclusive to Sleepy Hollow.

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No, in fact, I found one like in Pennsylvania.

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Yeah, and they say this serves as a testament to the prevalent belief in witches

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and supernatural back in the day, like how big this was to people who lived during that time.

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Like this is, their whole life just revolves around this kind of stuff.

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And they truly believed that these marks would ward off a witch.

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Well, I mean, I was, I would probably be the witch. I mean, let’s be honest,

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I have a real problem with authority and the mouth like a trucker.

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I would probably be the witch.

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So, my house would not have it. I know we don’t want to bring up the Tim Burton

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Sleepy Hollow, but I’m, We can, we can if we have to.

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I just wanna mention that it did kind of allude or hint even that Katrina Van

00:16:01.363 –> 00:16:03.244
Tassel was a witch. Yes, right?

00:16:05.006 –> 00:16:05.846
That’s in my notes.

00:16:05.846 –> 00:16:12.311
And I find that pretty, that’s an interesting take, especially with such a well-known legend.

00:16:13.152 –> 00:16:16.855
And because you just said that, and I of course did a very quick search and

00:16:16.855 –> 00:16:20.277
I found on Tumblr one of these,

00:16:20.277 –> 00:16:28.884
like how to do a spell with one of these hex symbols that Katrina Van Tassel would have used.

00:16:28.884 –> 00:16:31.025
And I’m like, I’m good.

00:16:31.966 –> 00:16:33.907
But thanks for the info, Tumblr.

00:16:34.468 –> 00:16:38.131
It’s helpful in case you ever need it. It’s really interesting.

00:16:38.131 –> 00:16:44.696
Guys, I do have to tell you that when I saw the craft, I stole my mother’s eyeliner.

00:16:44.696 –> 00:16:45.276
Yes.

00:16:47.779 –> 00:16:52.542
And I went to the bus stop and thought I was so cool I thought I was so cool

00:16:52.542 –> 00:16:54.523
and I lined my lips with black.

00:16:55.644 –> 00:16:58.186
And I took a Polaroid picture. With eyeliner. With eyeliner.

00:16:58.186 –> 00:17:04.971
Got it. And it probably looked like when a little kid puts their mom’s lipstick on.

00:17:04.971 –> 00:17:05.871
Just draw like a circle.

00:17:06.132 –> 00:17:11.295
Oh yes. And I took a Polaroid picture of like someone that my parents had and

00:17:11.295 –> 00:17:15.198
tried to do a binding spell with my shoelaces like they do in the movie.

00:17:15.839 –> 00:17:18.701
So I don’t wanna call myself an expert, but yeah.

00:17:18.701 –> 00:17:19.501
You kinda are.

00:17:19.501 –> 00:17:21.042
You might be dealing with a witch, so.

00:17:21.042 –> 00:17:27.687
Can I tell you, I literally did the exact same thing minus the black eyeliner,

00:17:27.687 –> 00:17:31.870
but there was a girl, I was in middle school, that bothered me,

00:17:31.870 –> 00:17:36.714
totally bullied me all the time, got into a couple of fights and so it said,

00:17:36.714 –> 00:17:39.956
you know, you take the picture and you wrap it and you say the things, blah, blah, blah.

00:17:39.956 –> 00:17:42.338
I am not lying to you, she never bothered me after that.

00:17:44.319 –> 00:17:52.085
I’m just saying. And I am a Virgo, so I’m an earth sign. I’m one with nature, guys.

00:17:52.085 –> 00:17:54.107
I love it. Yeah. I love it.

00:17:54.527 –> 00:17:56.429
So if anybody else is bothering any of you.

00:17:56.429 –> 00:17:59.371
Just wanted to add that in. So if you guys don’t think that you’re listening

00:17:59.371 –> 00:18:02.494
to professionals. We are. We are, we are.

00:18:03.275 –> 00:18:05.716
I know that Dale was not allowed to watch The Craft.

00:18:05.716 –> 00:18:10.901
No, I was not. In fact, I don’t know that I’ve ever seen The Craft.

00:18:10.901 –> 00:18:11.501
SHUT!

00:18:12.789 –> 00:18:17.853
Your silly little mouth. Yeah. What? Yes. What?

00:18:17.853 –> 00:18:20.115
So we’re not only going on a field trip.

00:18:20.115 –> 00:18:21.295
You know nothing about Menon?

00:18:23.477 –> 00:18:24.878
Skeet Ulrich, come on.

00:18:24.878 –> 00:18:30.122
I like am aware of it, obviously, because it’s like a cult classic,

00:18:30.122 –> 00:18:33.895
but I don’t, I’ve never watched the movie.

00:18:33.895 –> 00:18:35.106
Was it a religious reason?

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Oh, I’m sure.

00:18:36.547 –> 00:18:40.149
Because I mean, people even say that about Harry Potter, right?

00:18:40.149 –> 00:18:41.650
Because it’s witchcraft and wizardry.

00:18:41.650 –> 00:18:42.791
Right, right, right, there’s witches and stuff, yeah.

00:18:43.132 –> 00:18:46.544
So if anybody does come from a pretty religious family.

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And it looked dark, right? So like, it looks dark. And so just,

00:18:50.517 –> 00:18:54.860
it doesn’t matter if it was or not. It just was not something that I would have been allowed to watch.

00:18:54.860 –> 00:18:58.142
I’ve never wanted to be something so bad in my life. Yeah.

00:18:58.803 –> 00:19:03.226
That movie, my style, everything about my life was shaped after that movie.

00:19:03.226 –> 00:19:07.429
My style, the way I dressed, like, oh God, I can’t believe.

00:19:07.449 –> 00:19:11.022
Even though I never saw it, I wanted to be a witch.

00:19:11.022 –> 00:19:15.515
like I was a witch for Halloween and would make like potions in my backyard

00:19:15.515 –> 00:19:23.021
with like a bowl and like sticks and twigs and rocks and other things and mixed

00:19:23.021 –> 00:19:25.063
it all together and put it in bottles.

00:19:25.983 –> 00:19:29.386
I think we’ve all done the bathroom potions and the backyard potions.

00:19:29.386 –> 00:19:32.588
It’s like you’re reading my mind. I was like, I used to do that with shampoo.

00:19:33.529 –> 00:19:39.334
We all did. One of my favorite things that I ever heard, I was like really, really, really young.

00:19:39.334 –> 00:19:44.017
So my mom always surrounded us with like very eclectic people and she was an

00:19:44.017 –> 00:19:47.820
older lady and she told me that there’s,

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if you are a woman or somebody who believes in the power of the female,

00:19:52.724 –> 00:19:55.086
there’s a little bit of witch in all of us.

00:19:55.086 –> 00:19:58.908
Like every female has the power to be a witch and like all you have to do is

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believe in yourself. And I remember thinking like, yes, yes.

00:20:03.212 –> 00:20:08.545
I mean, that’s as far as I got. But I do, all of my friends that practice witchcraft believe in that.

00:20:10.537 –> 00:20:14.980
I trust everything they say, because every time I’ve ever had an ailment and

00:20:14.980 –> 00:20:22.085
used whatever holistic thing they’ve told me to do, or even I’m not a big manifesting

00:20:22.085 –> 00:20:24.587
person, per se, because I don’t really understand it.

00:20:25.358 –> 00:20:29.874
But you bet your ass when TikTok told me with this super new moon that we had,

00:20:29.874 –> 00:20:33.763
was it last month or the month before, to write down your manifestations,

00:20:33.763 –> 00:20:36.269
put your water in your window, and get some moon water, and…

00:20:37.602 –> 00:20:41.304
I did it. I don’t know if it’s going to work, but I did it because I’m like,

00:20:41.304 –> 00:20:44.787
I’m not taking any chances anymore. Being a Catholic girl hasn’t helped me.

00:20:44.787 –> 00:20:47.289
I think that’s the thing is it can’t hurt. So why not?

00:20:47.289 –> 00:20:49.530
Yeah, absolutely. Not hurting anybody.

00:20:49.530 –> 00:20:54.103
But I think that is it, right? It’s that the question of the unknown,

00:20:54.103 –> 00:20:55.674
of the uncertain, right?

00:20:55.674 –> 00:20:58.837
People who are religious, they don’t want unknown.

00:20:58.837 –> 00:21:03.040
They don’t want uncertain. Right. You know, you have a book to follow and this

00:21:03.040 –> 00:21:07.563
is word, right? You know, like this is how it has has to be and anything else,

00:21:07.563 –> 00:21:13.627
if you’re questioning this, if you’re contradicting this, you gotta go. You gotta go.

00:21:13.668 –> 00:21:19.002
Well, and I think too, like there’s that belief of witches being devil worshipers,

00:21:19.002 –> 00:21:24.556
like that whole in leap, you know? Yeah, and I think that’s where a lot of that

00:21:24.556 –> 00:21:27.418
fear also comes from, because there’s the assumption of that.

00:21:28.279 –> 00:21:32.482
And I’m just gonna say it, like I know we all wanna talk about Salem when it

00:21:32.482 –> 00:21:34.363
comes to witches and I get it.

00:21:34.363 –> 00:21:38.467
There were 19 people accused and hanged, right?

00:21:38.467 –> 00:21:45.612
And that is a tragedy and blah, blah, blah. Okay. But this area of Sleepy Hollow,

00:21:45.612 –> 00:21:52.958
like we might not have that vicious of stories, but we have some really good people who,

00:21:52.958 –> 00:21:58.502
again, helped found this area, helped create these initial stories that then

00:21:58.502 –> 00:22:03.686
have just developed and created this tight knit group of people in the area.

00:22:04.187 –> 00:22:08.490
I mean, even the Native Americans that settled this land, like I grew up thinking

00:22:08.490 –> 00:22:10.652
I was very, very, very, very, very Cherokee.

00:22:11.052 –> 00:22:15.315
And so my mom used to bring us to the powwows at, Oh, I’ve always wanted to go to a powwow, yeah.

00:22:17.657 –> 00:22:18.438
It was incredible.

00:22:18.798 –> 00:22:22.881
It was absolutely incredible. But just the way of life that Native Americans

00:22:22.881 –> 00:22:27.285
have and the way that, you know, they believe and they use mother nature and

00:22:27.285 –> 00:22:28.505
they connect themselves to nature.

00:22:28.505 –> 00:22:30.086
Yeah.

00:22:30.086 –> 00:22:33.809
Every, you know, it’s first of all, beautiful. second of all,

00:22:33.809 –> 00:22:40.674
they’re doing okay. They’ve done just all right without any interference in any other way.

00:22:41.054 –> 00:22:45.837
And they still believe, like Native American friends that I have, very much so.

00:22:47.018 –> 00:22:52.102
Just the, even the commercialized versions. What show were we just talking about

00:22:52.102 –> 00:22:53.545
not too long ago, Dina? Oh, Yellowstone.

00:22:53.906 –> 00:22:54.728
Oh, my Yellowstone.

00:22:54.728 –> 00:22:58.355
Watching Yellowstone, which is not a show, not a show that I’ve ever seen.

00:22:59.524 –> 00:23:03.757
that’s based around Native Americans, but you see just the things that they

00:23:03.757 –> 00:23:04.848
do to connect themselves to

00:23:04.848 –> 00:23:08.871
the world around them. It’s just what anyone else would call witchcraft.

00:23:08.871 –> 00:23:14.445
I’m not even gonna comment because I can talk about the Yellowstone multiverse

00:23:14.445 –> 00:23:19.859
for hours with how obsessed I am.

00:23:19.859 –> 00:23:23.002
You are correct, Amanda. We will table that for another episode.

00:23:23.642 –> 00:23:28.166
Just move me to Montana, that’s all I ask, and give me Rip. Okay, I’m sorry, what?

00:23:28.166 –> 00:23:34.520
Yeah, so I have one more very, very short one, but I feel like it’s a good place

00:23:34.520 –> 00:23:38.013
to leave it before our epic story.

00:23:38.013 –> 00:23:46.699
Our headliner. So there is a cursed pond located in Sleepy Hollow.

00:23:48.240 –> 00:23:56.406
And it is said that a woman who was accused of witchcraft was drowned in the pond.

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And on foggy nights, her spirit is said to emerge from the water, crying out for justice.

00:24:04.392 –> 00:24:12.799
And those who hear her wails are cursed forever. Dun, dun, dun.

00:24:12.799 –> 00:24:15.781
Okay, so you know how we talked about the white lady in the last episode and

00:24:15.781 –> 00:24:19.304
Deena asked what we would do if like, you know, we saw the apparition in the ground?

00:24:19.304 –> 00:24:24.988
Yeah. I gotta be honest with you, a little ghosty ghost rising from a pond on

00:24:24.988 –> 00:24:28.871
a foggy night, don’t know how I’d react, friends.

00:24:29.612 –> 00:24:34.495
That might be, I’m not going in to swim after you. I’ll follow the white lady

00:24:34.495 –> 00:24:36.556
up the trail. I’m not entering that water.

00:24:36.556 –> 00:24:40.860
First off, I’ve told you last episode, I’m terrified of the dark and water.

00:24:40.860 –> 00:24:43.922
So, I mean, I’m already like two for two right here in this room,

00:24:43.922 –> 00:24:47.625
but why does it always have to be foggy or inclement weather?

00:24:47.625 –> 00:24:51.007
You know what I mean? Like, what if it was a foggy night and because of the

00:24:51.007 –> 00:24:53.049
fog, somebody thought they saw something.

00:24:53.869 –> 00:24:56.691
And again, I don’t want to be the skeptic of the group because I do love it,

00:24:56.691 –> 00:25:02.055
but I mean, why can’t she rise on a clear evening night?

00:25:02.286 –> 00:25:03.796
You never hear stories about that.

00:25:03.796 –> 00:25:04.557
You never know.

00:25:05.298 –> 00:25:07.779
Full moon, I mean, that has a power of its own, right?

00:25:09.381 –> 00:25:11.602
Well, those were pretty good, Dale. I like all those stories.

00:25:11.602 –> 00:25:14.054
I want to know where the pond is, or pond, lake?

00:25:14.054 –> 00:25:16.185
Pond. Specifically a pond.

00:25:17.568 –> 00:25:20.729
OK, well, we’re going to have to find that. You know what we’ll do,

00:25:20.729 –> 00:25:22.250
guys, for our listeners?

00:25:22.911 –> 00:25:26.553
We will compile a list of all these places that we say to go visit. Yep.

00:25:27.934 –> 00:25:31.677
Because you can do like your own little visitation to Sleepy Hollow and find

00:25:31.677 –> 00:25:32.537
all these spooky things.

00:25:32.537 –> 00:25:35.580
Yeah. A folk town tour. Yep, yep.

00:25:35.580 –> 00:25:41.004
Yeah, that’s fun, fun, fun. Those were really good, creepy, witchy stories,

00:25:41.004 –> 00:25:43.786
Dale. So we’re gonna take a short break and when we get back,

00:25:43.786 –> 00:25:47.910
we are going to dive into our little tale of the Witches of Sleepy Hollow.

00:26:00.012 –> 00:26:07.258
So welcome back everybody This is our favorite part of the show so as somebody

00:26:07.258 –> 00:26:13.283
with five sisters who definitely they have the Inclination to be witches.

00:26:13.283 –> 00:26:17.446
I’m very excited for this one because this is the story of the sisters that

00:26:17.446 –> 00:26:21.649
were witches of sleepy Hollow so cozy up dear listener and enjoy,

00:26:23.081 –> 00:26:29.215
In the quiet mistrutted village of sleepy hollow Legends are whispered by the

00:26:29.215 –> 00:26:34.079
fire, tales of ghosts and goblins that wander the woods.

00:26:35.841 –> 00:26:42.666
But none are as whispered, as feared, as the story of the Three Witches of Sleepy Hollow.

00:26:45.888 –> 00:26:50.452
Many, many years ago, three sisters lived in the heart of the village.

00:26:51.953 –> 00:26:58.898
Ellara, with hair as black as raven feathers, Morgana, with eyes that shimmered

00:26:58.898 –> 00:27:06.364
like the midnight sky, and Lysandra, whose voice was as mesmerizing as a siren’s song.

00:27:08.045 –> 00:27:11.328
They were healers, herbalists, and wise women.

00:27:12.249 –> 00:27:17.192
The village sought them out for their remedies, and for a time, there was peace.

00:27:18.373 –> 00:27:23.377
But, as often happens, fear began to creep into the hearts of the villagers.

00:27:23.878 –> 00:27:31.663
A cow went dry, a child fell ill, a crop failed, and fingers,

00:27:31.663 –> 00:27:34.105
as they always do, began to point.

00:27:35.236 –> 00:27:40.980
Whispers turned to accusations. The three sisters, with their uncanny knowledge

00:27:40.980 –> 00:27:45.034
and ethereal beauty, became the focal point of the villagers’ fears.

00:27:46.105 –> 00:27:50.780
One fateful night, a mob, led by the village’s most influential man,

00:27:50.780 –> 00:27:52.512
surrounded the sisters’ home.

00:27:54.149 –> 00:27:57.491
Torches alight, hearts filled with rage and superstition.

00:27:59.253 –> 00:28:03.516
As flames began to consume their home, the sisters joined hands,

00:28:03.516 –> 00:28:05.197
chanting an ancient spell.

00:28:07.039 –> 00:28:13.063
Fire raged around them, but they remained untouched. A mob watched in horror

00:28:13.063 –> 00:28:18.667
and awe as the three vanished into thin air, leaving behind nothing but the

00:28:18.667 –> 00:28:20.349
smoldering remains of their home.

00:28:22.931 –> 00:28:27.534
Sleepy Hollow tried to forget, tried to move on, but every year,

00:28:27.534 –> 00:28:33.198
as the leaves turned golden and the air grew crisp, strange things began to happen.

00:28:34.259 –> 00:28:38.102
Crops would wither overnight, children would wake from nightmares,

00:28:38.102 –> 00:28:41.644
speaking of three shadowy figures watching over them.

00:28:43.446 –> 00:28:46.428
Songs, eerily familiar, would drift from the woods.

00:28:47.229 –> 00:28:50.571
The creatures of Sleepy Hollow were no longer flesh and bone,

00:28:50.571 –> 00:28:52.693
but they were far from gone.

00:28:53.293 –> 00:28:58.937
They roamed the woods, the very essence of the land, guardians of a village

00:28:58.937 –> 00:28:59.978
that once betrayed them.

00:29:00.979 –> 00:29:07.724
And, on all Hallow’s Eve, they would emerge not for revenge, but as a reminder.

00:29:08.925 –> 00:29:12.067
Children would leave offerings at the edge of the woods, cakes,

00:29:12.067 –> 00:29:15.910
fruits, little trinkets, in hopes of appeasing the spirits.

00:29:15.910 –> 00:29:22.494
eh? They’ve even seen the sisters dancing beneath the moon, their ethereal forms

00:29:22.494 –> 00:29:24.716
shimmering with otherworldly glow.

00:29:25.436 –> 00:29:28.098
Others claim they’ve been blessed with the witch’s protection,

00:29:28.098 –> 00:29:32.541
having found mysterious herbs or remedies on their doorsteps,

00:29:32.541 –> 00:29:34.642
just when they were most needed.

00:29:35.783 –> 00:29:40.586
Sleepy Hollow learned as all must that legends, even those born from fear,

00:29:40.586 –> 00:29:42.447
have a way of circling back.

00:29:43.228 –> 00:29:47.591
The witches, once Once persecuted, became the village’s silent protectors,

00:29:47.591 –> 00:29:50.653
forever intertwined with its fate.

00:29:51.674 –> 00:29:58.939
So, dear listener, if you ever find yourself in sleepy hollow on a moonlit night, listen closely.

00:29:59.519 –> 00:30:05.603
You might just hear the soft singing of the witches, a lullaby for a village

00:30:05.603 –> 00:30:14.229
that sleeps with one eye open forever under a watchful gaze of its ethereal guardians.

00:30:19.033 –> 00:30:24.017
I’m sorry, I need to just put on like The Witches of Eastwick or something like right now.

00:30:24.017 –> 00:30:25.638
Or The Discovery of Witches.

00:30:25.638 –> 00:30:29.641
I haven’t watched that. The Witches of Eastwick did something for me.

00:30:29.641 –> 00:30:33.924
Like I love Jack Nicholson as the devil, you know? So that movie always pops

00:30:33.924 –> 00:30:38.648
in when I think of three sisters, three witches, I mean, obviously,

00:30:38.648 –> 00:30:42.095
besides Hocus Pocus, which is just phenom. Amanda, what would you and your sisters

00:30:42.095 –> 00:30:43.800
have done if you guys were your own little like.

00:30:44.868 –> 00:30:47.440
What do you think we are? Coven.

00:30:47.440 –> 00:30:49.862
I think we are a coven because we haven’t killed each other.

00:30:49.862 –> 00:30:54.285
That is true. And there’s a hundred of us. Uh, it’s shocking.

00:30:56.387 –> 00:30:59.849
Well, you know, here’s the thing. I mean,

00:30:59.849 –> 00:31:05.213
I know you’re gonna dive into our girl, Holda, for us, but stories like the

00:31:05.213 –> 00:31:11.898
one we just listened to, I think something I love the most, and I’m very lucky,

00:31:11.898 –> 00:31:14.020
I feel like I have a coven of sisters, you know?

00:31:14.020 –> 00:31:20.145
like I have really built in, you know, lifelong friends who understand the insanity

00:31:20.145 –> 00:31:24.548
of my family, but something about a coven, taking sisters out of it,

00:31:24.548 –> 00:31:28.491
it’s really nice to have a sisterhood where everybody supports each other.

00:31:28.491 –> 00:31:33.155
And so even though they were sisters, I feel like that coven sisterhood,

00:31:33.155 –> 00:31:37.358
like that’s, that’s a girl, that’s, they’re the original girls, girls.

00:31:37.358 –> 00:31:37.699
Yeah.

00:31:37.699 –> 00:31:40.581
Covens are the original girls, girls, always having each other’s backs.

00:31:41.321 –> 00:31:42.082
Wise women.

00:31:42.082 –> 00:31:44.403
Yeah. Agreed.

00:31:44.403 –> 00:31:48.927
And I think that actually pairs really well with Hulda’s story and the fact

00:31:48.927 –> 00:31:52.429
that if you had a coven, you were more than likely protected.

00:31:53.930 –> 00:31:59.354
And if you were on your own, you were more susceptible to, you know, you could be a target.

00:31:59.354 –> 00:32:01.275
Yeah, like picked out from the crowd. Yeah.

00:32:02.276 –> 00:32:08.781
So Hulda, one of my favorite things about learning her story is that she’s referred

00:32:08.781 –> 00:32:14.445
to as the other legend of Sleepy Hollow. And I love that, right?

00:32:14.806 –> 00:32:17.428
I’m like, get it girl. It’s not just about headless men.

00:32:18.789 –> 00:32:20.971
I don’t know. I personally like this story more.

00:32:22.012 –> 00:32:23.272
This is such a good one.

00:32:23.272 –> 00:32:28.136
I kind of do too, because she’s a hero. And I think it kind of like claps back

00:32:28.136 –> 00:32:30.638
at everyone for ostracizing her.

00:32:30.878 –> 00:32:36.503
Now I brought up before, you know, Salem had, you know, the hangings and obviously

00:32:36.503 –> 00:32:40.686
like everybody attacked anyone who was a witch, but because of,

00:32:40.686 –> 00:32:44.089
as you pointed out Diyal, this area being settled by the Dutch,

00:32:44.089 –> 00:32:45.349
they were a little bit more standoffish.

00:32:45.840 –> 00:32:51.254
They didn’t believe in that kind of violence and just the torture and the killing,

00:32:51.254 –> 00:32:54.327
but they also weren’t gonna accept you either.

00:32:54.327 –> 00:32:58.179
You know, they were more, they were very typical New Yorkers.

00:32:58.179 –> 00:33:01.481
Like, I’m just gonna pretend I don’t know you.

00:33:03.563 –> 00:33:08.125
So really, hold a story goes, and you can hear this quite frequently during

00:33:08.125 –> 00:33:11.987
this time of month in Sleepy Hollow because there are even storytellers who.

00:33:15.970 –> 00:33:21.233
Perform and reenact like for her memory. But we’re gonna come back to the fact

00:33:21.233 –> 00:33:25.076
that she’s referred to as the high German doctor in a little bit,

00:33:25.076 –> 00:33:26.857
because we were discussing that prior.

00:33:27.298 –> 00:33:32.461
But really she’s a woman who rolled into Sleepy Hollow as this Bohemian, right?

00:33:33.282 –> 00:33:36.664
And this is someone like a traveler, almost like a gypsy even.

00:33:37.405 –> 00:33:42.008
And she rolls into this Dutch town and everyone’s like, who is this, right?

00:33:42.269 –> 00:33:47.923
And so, because she’s not Catholic or Christian, they’re almost like,

00:33:47.923 –> 00:33:54.038
well, you can stay, but like go build your hut over there in the woods, very, very far away.

00:33:54.038 –> 00:33:55.199
Tiny, small hut.

00:33:56.200 –> 00:34:05.086
Yeah, and the pastor told everybody not to, you know, involve her to stay clear of her.

00:34:05.547 –> 00:34:08.649
So she was essentially, she moved here and then she was shunned.

00:34:08.649 –> 00:34:12.953
but where she came from, there’s a discrepancy with that.

00:34:14.274 –> 00:34:18.837
But if, you know, they shunned her, immediately she’s a witch.

00:34:18.837 –> 00:34:20.118
No, they know nothing about her.

00:34:20.539 –> 00:34:23.180
But, oh, you’re single, you’re a little bit of an older woman.

00:34:23.180 –> 00:34:26.943
She’s too smart and wise. She’s gotta be a witch.

00:34:26.943 –> 00:34:31.967
And the ceiling, everybody. Exactly, yeah. With her remedies and things like that.

00:34:31.967 –> 00:34:36.809
And what I loved most about her was even though she was shunned by the community,

00:34:36.809 –> 00:34:42.310
if she found out somebody was sick, she would leave them something on their doorstep, right?

00:34:42.650 –> 00:34:48.872
If somebody needed something, she would always try and show them like,

00:34:48.872 –> 00:34:50.852
hey, I’m not evil, you know?

00:34:51.212 –> 00:34:54.473
She was known as a weaver of baskets, healing arts, all the things.

00:34:54.473 –> 00:34:57.013
But my favorite was that she was a sharpshooter.

00:34:58.768 –> 00:34:59.548
That’s incredible.

00:34:59.548 –> 00:35:01.830
So Lady was packing, okay?

00:35:03.791 –> 00:35:06.953
Didn’t she lead a battalion against the British Army in Sleepy Hollow?

00:35:06.953 –> 00:35:13.118
She absolutely did. And I actually have a documentation on this that has come up quite frequently.

00:35:13.658 –> 00:35:20.043
Everything I searched refers back to a man named Edgar Mayhew Bacon and a book

00:35:20.043 –> 00:35:22.764
he wrote called The Chronicles of Tarrytown and Sleepy Hollow.

00:35:23.245 –> 00:35:28.849
And he said, at last one day, a force of British landed from one of the transports

00:35:28.849 –> 00:35:32.952
that had sailed up the Hudson and commenced a march which was to bring them

00:35:32.952 –> 00:35:37.695
by means of the king’s highway to the rear of Putnan’s position at Peekskill.

00:35:38.236 –> 00:35:43.540
As they marched, an imposing array of volley greeted them from behind walls and tree trunks.

00:35:43.920 –> 00:35:47.142
Not to be repulsed this time, Hulda fought with her neighbors,

00:35:47.142 –> 00:35:52.206
using her rifle with great effect so that she was singled out for vengeance

00:35:52.206 –> 00:35:56.879
and before the redcoats retreated to their boats, they had overtaken and killed the witch.

00:35:59.251 –> 00:36:02.674
Yeah oh so and okay that’s first of all our girl

00:36:02.674 –> 00:36:07.250
our poor girl yeah holda sweetheart but

00:36:07.250 –> 00:36:10.960
was holda her like original

00:36:10.960 –> 00:36:15.343
name and the only reason i ask is because in some of the research i did for

00:36:15.343 –> 00:36:20.197
this is it’s a very german name which you’re going to talk about but she’s there’s

00:36:20.197 –> 00:36:27.592
a There’s a Hulda in the Mother Hulda story in the Brothers Grimm Tales. Have you heard that one?

00:36:27.592 –> 00:36:28.233
I have not.

00:36:28.233 –> 00:36:31.335
She’s supposed to be a pagan deity from a Germanic tribe.

00:36:33.778 –> 00:36:39.982
And this Hulda, one of my favorite parts about it is she, I read that she survived

00:36:39.982 –> 00:36:43.044
her isolation because she would trade with the Native Americans.

00:36:43.405 –> 00:36:46.808
And like, she was like a friend to the Native Americans.

00:36:46.808 –> 00:36:52.472
So not only was she helping heal the Dutch settlers and all the soldiers from

00:36:52.472 –> 00:36:56.595
both sides. She also was helping the Native Americans and being like their bridged

00:36:56.595 –> 00:36:59.037
gap between the settlers and themselves.

00:36:59.698 –> 00:37:01.859
I had read that as well. I had read that as well.

00:37:01.859 –> 00:37:04.462
Maybe that’s where the crossover is too. Yeah.

00:37:04.462 –> 00:37:07.984
Well, I also think that probably was one of the reasons she was also shunned

00:37:07.984 –> 00:37:13.448
by the community because she spoke their dialect as well. And that was probably

00:37:13.448 –> 00:37:14.349
considered off-putting.

00:37:15.189 –> 00:37:18.851
That’s a great point, yeah. Our poor girl.

00:37:19.632 –> 00:37:23.694
Yeah, so, and I’m, and, you know, again, I’m gonna reference Jonathan Crook’s

00:37:23.694 –> 00:37:29.458
book that I mentioned last week, because allegedly from what I heard,

00:37:29.458 –> 00:37:34.160
he, back in 2011, when he came out with this book, this book really kind of…

00:37:35.899 –> 00:37:40.022
made her story more well-known in kind of our generation, like made it,

00:37:40.022 –> 00:37:41.763
like popularized it again.

00:37:42.604 –> 00:37:46.406
Because at that time, as Amanda, you said before, you know, there was this orange

00:37:46.406 –> 00:37:50.229
flagstick that marked the spot where she had been buried.

00:37:50.990 –> 00:37:59.456
And it wasn’t until 2019 that the church, through the Friends of the Old Dutch

00:37:59.456 –> 00:38:03.719
Church and Burying Ground Organization, that they raised the money.

00:38:03.719 –> 00:38:09.223
I think it was like $5,600 to create a headstone for her. And yes,

00:38:09.223 –> 00:38:14.407
and I sent these guys a picture because I had to go try and look for it this weekend.

00:38:15.308 –> 00:38:22.173
And I will say it’s the red kind of sedimentary rock that is used in the traditional

00:38:22.173 –> 00:38:25.155
stones throughout the old Dutch church burying ground.

00:38:25.636 –> 00:38:28.398
And I couldn’t help but look at it and be like, how is this so well-preserved?

00:38:29.339 –> 00:38:33.422
But then I found it was created in 2019, so that makes a lot more sense.

00:38:33.422 –> 00:38:37.805
Yeah, and it’s funny too, because everything that I found was,

00:38:37.805 –> 00:38:45.350
it was all around, they believed she was buried to the left of the old Dutch church.

00:38:45.350 –> 00:38:50.294
But that was, obviously now there’s a, there’s a stone, but everything that

00:38:50.294 –> 00:38:56.348
I found was just that there was an unmarked grave that she was buried in an unmarked grave.

00:38:56.979 –> 00:38:59.180
I think that was the least they could do.

00:38:59.180 –> 00:39:00.322
Yeah.

00:39:00.322 –> 00:39:06.206
But at the time, they also had reported that when they went to her hut,

00:39:06.206 –> 00:39:12.210
they discovered a Bible and a will calling for gold to be given to war widow families.

00:39:12.210 –> 00:39:12.991
Wow.

00:39:12.991 –> 00:39:18.155
Oh my God, she’s just like the kindest, most empathetic, smart woman.

00:39:18.155 –> 00:39:21.737
But here’s my question, if she had a Bible and they’re saying she acted like

00:39:21.737 –> 00:39:26.982
a good Christian, why wasn’t she considered Christian at the time of her burial?

00:39:27.383 –> 00:39:29.644
Why would she have a Bible if she wasn’t Christian?

00:39:30.364 –> 00:39:32.686
It’s so true. Because they believe she was a witch.

00:39:32.686 –> 00:39:35.588
Yeah. I mean,

00:39:35.588 –> 00:39:40.492
here’s the thing with, I will touch on this right after, but like,

00:39:40.492 –> 00:39:47.217
in true Sleepy Hollow fashion, they have embraced this story and turned it around,

00:39:47.217 –> 00:39:50.239
probably thanks to Jonathan in Crux’s book, because…

00:39:52.786 –> 00:39:58.130
She is now hailed as, like you said, the other legend of Sleepy Hollow, but also…

00:39:59.231 –> 00:40:03.154
She’s a patriot. She’s a patriot, and they have the Festival of Witches in her

00:40:03.154 –> 00:40:05.596
honor every year, starting since 2014.

00:40:05.596 –> 00:40:09.859
And if you guys want to see the best thing ever, it is a bunch of women dressed

00:40:09.859 –> 00:40:15.383
up as witches, paddleboarding and kayaking across the Hudson River at the Festival

00:40:15.383 –> 00:40:18.806
of Witches. This is a real thing. Epic.

00:40:18.806 –> 00:40:24.009
Hysterical because my one friend sent me a reel of the witches on the paddleboard.

00:40:24.009 –> 00:40:27.012
And they were like, she was like, what is this? I was like, so funny.

00:40:27.012 –> 00:40:30.314
Cause we’re, we’re literally talking about this right now because it cannot

00:40:30.314 –> 00:40:36.599
go unmentioned, but yeah, that kind of thing, again, honoring this kind of legend, if you will.

00:40:36.599 –> 00:40:42.903
And then the woman who does the, I don’t want to say reenactment,

00:40:42.903 –> 00:40:48.087
but does a performance, I guess I should say. Her name is Carla L Hall.

00:40:50.009 –> 00:40:55.312
And she developed this show in Sleepy Hollow that is on the weekends,

00:40:55.312 –> 00:40:58.475
I believe. And it’s called Holda, The Other Legend of Sleepy Hollow.

00:40:58.875 –> 00:41:02.378
And it tells her story and it’s her and her husband that do it.

00:41:02.939 –> 00:41:03.739
That’s very cool.

00:41:03.739 –> 00:41:10.224
Oh, I love that. I feel like I’m glad that Holda got her comeuppance and she got a little respect.

00:41:12.006 –> 00:41:18.290
But think of all of those women just like her across the world who did not get

00:41:18.290 –> 00:41:22.913
this and just died for being good people,

00:41:22.913 –> 00:41:28.337
just being helpers and smarter than the people around them.

00:41:28.337 –> 00:41:29.638
Yeah, being healers.

00:41:31.460 –> 00:41:36.624
And, or questioning things, I mean, like the ass backwards practices of the

00:41:36.624 –> 00:41:38.544
times that they were, you know, living.

00:41:39.146 –> 00:41:43.991
And I mean, like her story is probably one of my favorites. If you want to dive

00:41:43.991 –> 00:41:47.394
deeper, There’s so much about her out there, but she is.

00:41:49.862 –> 00:41:52.824
Probably, I don’t know, I think you’re right, Dayle. I think I might like this

00:41:52.824 –> 00:41:56.487
story better than the Headless Horseman.

00:41:57.188 –> 00:42:02.772
I will also add, because I have to tie it back to last week and our Lady in White.

00:42:02.772 –> 00:42:02.963
Yes.

00:42:02.963 –> 00:42:07.656
I had, you know, we had talked about how that woman had gotten lost in the storm,

00:42:07.656 –> 00:42:10.328
right? While she was looking for firewood.

00:42:12.320 –> 00:42:18.785
Well, legend says one of those stories, if it is true, she had come across Hulda’s Hut.

00:42:19.465 –> 00:42:25.069
while she was gathering that woods, and Hulda tried to warn her that a blizzard

00:42:25.069 –> 00:42:28.892
was coming and offered her help,

00:42:28.892 –> 00:42:36.037
because Dayal and I were looking at this too, Hulda lived near what some people refer to as Spook Rock.

00:42:36.338 –> 00:42:42.461
Which- At the Rockefeller Preserve, right? Yes, which it seems like is another name for Raven Rock.

00:42:42.461 –> 00:42:43.003
Yep.

00:42:43.003 –> 00:42:45.643
Oh, this is all tied together so fast again.

00:42:45.724 –> 00:42:53.089
Exactly, and it even ties into when the original tribes first came to Sleepy Hollow.

00:42:53.490 –> 00:43:00.835
Like they used this rock to hold council meetings because it was said to have special powers.

00:43:04.098 –> 00:43:09.061
Well, if the original story was true that of the woman who flung herself off

00:43:09.061 –> 00:43:10.322
of it and turned into the Raven.

00:43:10.322 –> 00:43:11.864
Absolutely.

00:43:11.864 –> 00:43:13.445
I mean, I would like those powers.

00:43:13.445 –> 00:43:14.686
Yeah.

00:43:14.686 –> 00:43:17.949
Remember how we said in the first episode like there are places in the world

00:43:17.949 –> 00:43:23.013
where you go and you just feel the feeling, like there’s a reason for that.

00:43:23.013 –> 00:43:28.037
There’s a reason that us, you know, let’s see, Hulda was first written or,

00:43:28.037 –> 00:43:31.920
you know, found in Sleepy Hollow in 1770, it says. This many years later.

00:43:35.123 –> 00:43:35.783
Yeah, in 1777.

00:43:36.160 –> 00:43:40.444
Yeah, like, this is insane that this many years later, we’re all still,

00:43:40.444 –> 00:43:44.527
you know, we all still get the same feelings and she’s still celebrated.

00:43:45.167 –> 00:43:48.429
I definitely want to read also what is on her headstone.

00:43:49.470 –> 00:43:54.334
Because it’s very rare, something that old, that you would be able to read it

00:43:54.334 –> 00:43:57.256
off the stone because of just the wear and tear from weather and things like

00:43:57.256 –> 00:44:02.900
that. So her stone says, Holda of Bohemia died 1777.

00:44:03.580 –> 00:44:08.825
Herbalist, healer, patriot, felled by British while protecting the militia.

00:44:09.565 –> 00:44:13.108
Buried here in gratitude for her sacrifice. That gives me chills.

00:44:13.108 –> 00:44:15.610
That’s beautiful, yeah. It’s just like, who loves that?

00:44:15.610 –> 00:44:16.330
I just love.

00:44:16.330 –> 00:44:19.032
What a beautiful way to end the episode. That was beautiful.

00:44:19.032 –> 00:44:25.357
While protecting the militia. So while protecting a group of boys who had weapons,

00:44:25.357 –> 00:44:29.040
This one woman just went, I got this.

00:44:29.280 –> 00:44:32.683
And can we talk, like, do we know how old she was?

00:44:32.683 –> 00:44:34.264
I do not. I do not know.

00:44:34.264 –> 00:44:35.285
That’s another fact.

00:44:35.285 –> 00:44:36.046
Great point.

00:44:36.046 –> 00:44:41.409
Like, was she a young woman or was she an older woman who went out and just

00:44:41.409 –> 00:44:43.951
like, let me handle this. I got this, guys.

00:44:43.951 –> 00:44:46.733
I think that’s why we typically see, like Amanda was saying earlier,

00:44:46.733 –> 00:44:51.477
like crones, you know, for the witches, these old, wrinkly, white haired women.

00:44:51.477 –> 00:44:54.099
Right, that’s what they wanted us to think these witches looked like,

00:44:54.099 –> 00:44:55.920
but you know, not all witches were old.

00:44:55.920 –> 00:44:58.462
Nope.

00:44:58.462 –> 00:45:00.704
As the mic attacks me. Coming for you.

00:45:00.704 –> 00:45:04.187
Taking her out. We’re talking about witches and they’re coming for us.

00:45:04.187 –> 00:45:06.268
I’m on your side. Yeah.

00:45:06.268 –> 00:45:07.349
I love you.

00:45:07.349 –> 00:45:08.630
You’re defending you.

00:45:09.251 –> 00:45:14.634
So I feel like we could talk about witches forever, but I feel like Hilda’s

00:45:14.634 –> 00:45:18.317
story and that is a perfect spot to end. And I…

00:45:19.943 –> 00:45:24.647
I really encourage everybody, if you’re going to dive into this the way we have,

00:45:24.647 –> 00:45:28.550
definitely look up more on her story because it’s really beautiful and there’s

00:45:28.550 –> 00:45:34.934
so much more, I think, folklore around her and the things that she did and there’s

00:45:34.934 –> 00:45:37.196
a lot more to be learned because her story is fantastic.

00:45:38.497 –> 00:45:42.770
And I just wanted to like throw in again, you know, you had said last week,

00:45:42.770 –> 00:45:46.123
if anybody knows any other stories about witches in the area.

00:45:46.123 –> 00:45:46.503
Yes.

00:45:46.563 –> 00:45:52.128
Or has any other information about Holda, because I did feel a lot of,

00:45:52.128 –> 00:45:53.688
I did see a lot of repetitiveness.

00:45:54.389 –> 00:46:00.634
And the one thing that upset me was when I heard that she may not even be true.

00:46:01.074 –> 00:46:03.036
Right, that it might be a totally made up story.

00:46:03.036 –> 00:46:09.491
Because there are no primary sources to verify her existence. And I was like, oh no!

00:46:11.363 –> 00:46:14.185
But this, the head- Refused to believe it, refused to believe it.

00:46:14.185 –> 00:46:19.238
But the head docent at the Old Dutch Church had said, we have a story told 100

00:46:19.238 –> 00:46:22.010
years after the event that took Hulda’s life.

00:46:22.010 –> 00:46:26.154
And there’s no historic record that we are aware of, such as a record of her

00:46:26.154 –> 00:46:29.916
death. So we’re treading that ground between history and legend.

00:46:30.797 –> 00:46:34.660
And I’m like- Legend’s more fun. Well, a legend is based on real things.

00:46:35.561 –> 00:46:38.263
So there has to be some fact in there.

00:46:38.263 –> 00:46:42.405
Who do you think- Guys, there’s so many Huldas out there. So come on.

00:46:43.086 –> 00:46:46.969
Who do you think would play her in a movie? What would you, who would you pick?

00:46:46.969 –> 00:46:48.270
Are we going young or old?

00:46:48.270 –> 00:46:49.320
Young.

00:46:49.320 –> 00:46:50.371
Yeah.

00:46:50.371 –> 00:46:50.691
Young?

00:46:50.691 –> 00:46:51.842
I’d say like middle-aged.

00:46:52.693 –> 00:46:56.815
I think based on the time, I would say like 20s, 30s. People didn’t have a very

00:46:56.815 –> 00:46:58.577
long life expected. Yeah.

00:46:58.577 –> 00:47:03.820
Okay, okay, okay. So 30s. I mean, would it be one tree hill chick?

00:47:04.916 –> 00:47:10.880
Are we making her hot? Oh, yeah. She can do it. In my head, Hulda has dark hair.

00:47:10.880 –> 00:47:12.001
Yeah, mine too.

00:47:12.182 –> 00:47:16.425
I’ll try and show you the one picture I found of her, but it’s a sketch.

00:47:16.425 –> 00:47:18.016
It’s not like an actual image of anybody.

00:47:18.386 –> 00:47:22.569
I’m trying to think of an actress that could play her.

00:47:22.569 –> 00:47:26.753
Yeah, if she was to be cast in a movie. Her life story.

00:47:26.753 –> 00:47:30.736
And, yeah, because they’ve got to be a little bit badass, right?

00:47:31.037 –> 00:47:35.039
Well, I mean, Sandra Bullock’s not that badass. She was a witch.

00:47:35.499 –> 00:47:39.182
I could buy that. Yeah. But she already did the witch thing,

00:47:39.182 –> 00:47:41.143
because she’s already practically a witch.

00:47:41.143 –> 00:47:43.745
Yeah, and I was going to say, I couldn’t see her now being that character.

00:47:45.027 –> 00:47:51.491
I mean, who’s badass in that 20 to 30? Oh, Florence Pugh. I think she would be good.

00:47:52.572 –> 00:47:53.993
Ooh, that could be good.

00:47:53.993 –> 00:47:58.397
I don’t know, though. I don’t see her as… If she had dark hair.

00:47:59.778 –> 00:48:03.441
I’ve been seeing, well, cause her hair was like shaved and brown for a little

00:48:03.441 –> 00:48:05.762
bit. So I think that’s the version of badass.

00:48:05.762 –> 00:48:09.966
But she’s also kind of like the it girl right now. So I feel like a lot of stuff we could see her.

00:48:11.167 –> 00:48:14.129
Well, she could even, yeah, I mean, she’s, yeah, she’s fantastic.

00:48:14.529 –> 00:48:17.151
And we should have her on the podcast.

00:48:17.151 –> 00:48:19.994
We can’t stop until I show you the sketch picture, but of course.

00:48:19.994 –> 00:48:21.755
But our listeners can’t see that.

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But maybe it might. We’ll put it on the thingy for them. What do you call it?

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On the socials.

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Wait, Tom, what about this one? If Tom’s listening, because we talk about her

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at length, Tom, our master producer, Alexandra Daddario.

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I don’t know who that is.

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She’s in White Lotus. That witch look.

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She’s got like, it’s just tall and lean and muscular.

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And the eyes.

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And the light eyes. I think she could do it. Alexandra Daddario’s tonight.

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She could do it.

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I really should have just clicked on images from the start because it immediately came up.

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Okay guys, so what we’re seeing here is- That’s cool, and we’ll put that on

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socials so everyone can see.

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We’ll put this on socials so that you guys can see it.

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It’s very cool.

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It’s definitely not Alexandra Daddario. Nope, definitely an older- For sure not.

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More crony-like woman.

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Right, and you made such a good point though, like why is she depicted as old? Yeah. How old is she?

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I mean, I feel like they always did that with witches because they didn’t want

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them to be, Coco agrees, they didn’t want them to be young, hot women because

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then their husbands would want them.

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Right, and because they’re witches, they could cast a spell on their husbands.

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Exactly. All right, so now that we’ve cast the movie, I loved this episode.

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We’re gonna say exactly what we said last week, guys. So head over to wherever

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you listen to your podcasts, follow us, rate, review, subscribe,

00:49:52.932 –> 00:49:56.215
all that stuff really helps us get more content out to you and we’re hoping

00:49:56.215 –> 00:49:59.297
to do many more seasons of many more spooky towns across the world.

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There’s so many.

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So many. Yeah. And we’re lining up probably my favorite thing to talk about

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that I hope it doesn’t freak people out when I say this, but next week is all about murder.

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Murder, murder, murder.

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Murder.

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And we’re not talking like nice folklore.

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Yeah, like old school.

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Real, this is real murder.

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A lot of facts. A lot of facts this week.

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Real murders that occurred closer to this time.

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You know, we’re not dating back to like the 1600s, 1700s. Now we’re talking

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like early 1900s, that is getting closer to our time.

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Yep, and people that are buried right there in Sleepy Hollow still to keep their legacy alive.

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Yes, so we will be talking all things murder next week, but head over to the

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socials, share your ghost stories with us, share all of your creepy crawly stories,

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all your witch stories, and we will see you guys next week. Bye.

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Bye!