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Amanda, Dina, have you guys heard of the tale of the White Lady of Raven Rock?

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No, but I want to.

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I think I’ve heard about 12 different versions of that tale.

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It’s a story that’s full of mystery, heartbreak, and maybe even murder.

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That’s today on Folktown.

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This week on Folktown, Sleepy Hollow, a town that’s anything but sleepy.

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Welcome to Folktown.

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Chapter 1, Sleepy Hollow. Each season on Folktown, we’re going to be uncovering

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the secrets of small towns.

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And then each episode is going to be a different tale.

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And this week we’re covering the White Lady of Raven Rock. I’m Amanda,

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a creepy, spooky enthusiast.

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I’m Dayelle. I also love all things spooky.

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And I am Dina. And I’m someone who reads far too much and imagines way too many

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things that creepy and spooky things live in my brain rent-free.

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Dina’s actually going to be our resident Sleepy Hollow professional on this season.

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So we can get right into it. This season we are going to be talking about not just the cemetery,

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but there is, it’s not just the legend of Sleepy Hollow, which I think is what

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everybody thinks of when they I think of Sleepy Hollow is just that overall

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legend of Sleepy Hollow movie starring Johnny Depp and everyone goes right there.

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But there is so much more to talk about this town. So many more legends and

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Dale, have you ever been done like any tour of the town?

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I have not. I actually have always wanted to do one of the tours,

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but I’ve never had the opportunity to do them. But I’ve always been obsessed

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with all of the, like you said, the movie, but there was also like a TV show.

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Yes, on Fox, yes, that was a good one. It was so good, I was obsessed with that

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when it came out, which just heightened my love for all that like small town lore and stuff.

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Even though I’m pretty sure it was not even the shot in Sleepy Hollow, probably not.

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I think it was filmed in Canada.

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I feel like everything’s filmed in Canada, but.

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God bless it.

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I know, and we, so the three of us all grew up not too far from Sleepy Hollow.

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So even though this is like a story that…

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whole country knows about, the whole world. We are not too far from it.

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And I remember in school, we took field trips to Tarrytown, because there’s

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a lot of historical components as well to the town of Tarrytown.

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So, I didn’t give a shit about any of that stuff. But as I got older and learned

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about all the spooky things, and the town really, really embraces…

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Like, this is a real town, people. This is not a fake town created in Hollywood

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movies and TV and legends. This is a real town.

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And Deena, do you want to give us a little bit of the history because you are our expert.

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Well, I just also have to add, you know, growing up in Goshen,

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New York, which is such a small town in Orange County, which is what,

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45 minutes from Westchester County.

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My mother hooked me on this story because she played me that Disney version

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of Legends of Sleepy Hollow, you know, with like the cute horse that,

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you know, kind of had a mind of its own, and they both got scared,

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but they still, you know?

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And- I forgot about that.

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It was my absolute favorite. I was obsessed with it. And I was terrified.

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And one of my favorite parts was when like, he thought he heard galloping hooves,

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right? And it was the willow hitting the tree trunk and him and the horse started laughing.

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And then all of a sudden the headless

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horseman comes out and they’re both terrified and they start to run.

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And I just became so hooked with that. So when I got old enough to like realize

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that this place was literally 45 minutes away, I was just like, you’re lying, you know?

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So you really had to go and cross the Tappan Zee and go over there and see what was going on.

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And just not only do the people of the town embrace it, you know,

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even the horseman is the mascot of the school, you know, and I love that.

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If I could work there, I would just jump ship immediately and get over there.

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As a teacher, by the way, guys, you can tell by the fact she’s got the facts in the true teacher way.

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And, you know, it’s not to be honest, like even just knowing the history of,

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you know, the settlement of it.

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It all goes back to Washington Irving, right?

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all of these Dutch settlers came to settle this area. And they say that sleepy,

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we really can’t even call it Sleepy Hollow because it didn’t actually get deemed

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Sleepy Hollow until 1996. Before that- That blows my mind.

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That blows my mind. Because we were alive during that?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Before that, it was just considered North Tarrytown. Before that,

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it was Beekmantown because that was a very dominant family there that owned a lot of the land.

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But I mean, you know, here come all these Dutch settlers onto Indian land, Native American land.

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And, you know, I actually found out through all of my nerded out research,

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because, you know, I had to dive into that rabbit hole, that the Indians that

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were there were in the Tapan, I believe it’s pronounced, tribe,

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which was kind of like a branch off of the Mohicans.

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And Z is Dutch for sea.

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Oh, so look at that.

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Fun fact.

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That’s crazy because you have to cross the Tappan Z to get there. For us.

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Yeah, for us. Yes. So, yeah, you know, and when Washington Irving was younger,

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he was originally born in New York City and there was this yellow fever outbreak

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right prior to eighteen hundred and his family was very worried about him.

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So they ship him off to Tarrytown, where his close personal friend,

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James Kirk Paulding, was living at the time, who is also a writer down the road.

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You know, he just kind of falls in love with the area. And I think anyone who

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visits it, it’s like, how could you not?

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It’s gorgeous whether it’s spring, summer, fall, or winter. Doesn’t even matter.

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It’s crazy. For people who don’t know who Washington Irving is,

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he is the author of… Yes.

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Oh, were you waiting for me? I didn’t want to steal your thunder.

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I was like, drop the hammer, girl.

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No, no, no. I don’t know. Like for anyone that doesn’t know who we’re talking

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about, this whole entire episode is all about it.

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Yeah. Washington Irving, a.k.a. father of the American short story,

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to some, I mean, I’m sure people probably try and argue that,

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but many people believe he’s the America’s founding father of literature.

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And it’s because of the story, which originally published in 1820 here in the

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United States, but also was popular in 1819 in England.

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I mean, it was well known. And that was so rare during that time that an American

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author was such a big to-do, you know, overseas and here in the States.

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Yeah, and don’t worry, we will dive into that later. We’ll give you all the

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deets on our boy. Yeah, that’s just one.

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His story is absolutely incredible.

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Yeah, we will get there. This episode is kind of about the spookiness and we

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do kind of zero in on one story that we’ll share with you guys later,

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but Tarrytown itself, if you don’t know, is on the eastern shore of the Hudson

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River, which is by where we all live.

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And it’s, I don’t want to say it, when you drive in, it seems uppity, but it’s not.

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It’s just the buildings are so historic. They’ve really preserved a lot of the

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historical buildings. It’s kind of one of those towns that you drive in,

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you’re like, oh, there’s history here.

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Like, you know that something happened there because the buildings look like they look.

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They are over 200 years old, if not older. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so the Old Dutch Church in itself, which is the grounds that Ichabod Crane

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was trying to get to, to escape the Headless Horseman, was built in 1695.

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It’s actually one of the oldest churches on record in New York State.

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And is that in actual, like, is it in Sleepy Hollow? Yes.

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Okay.

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We have to do a field trip.

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Field trip!

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We are spooky people, so you’re gonna hear a lot of tales on this show,

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that’s kind of like the vibe that we are going for here.

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But when I thought of Tarrytown or when I thought of Sleepy Hollow,

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I did not think any of this, like I knew the legend of Sleepy Hollow,

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I didn’t know about the deep, deep history of this town.

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And Deena made us a really bomb-ass little document, so teacher of you, of all of the history.

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I did all of my evidence.

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And like you said, this was a Native American settlement, like predominantly, right?

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Absolutely, yeah. And I tried to even write it phonetically so that I wouldn’t mispronounce it.

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But the first residents of what eventually became known as Tarrytown were the Wetkegeeks Indians.

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And I apologize if I butchered that. I try and speak slowly when I don’t know

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how to pronounce words. But that’s a tough one.

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I mean, that needs to be on a spelling bee because that one’s, that one’s, but yeah.

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So they were a very friendly group, right? And they really helped the settlers get settled, right?

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And this is where really our first main story began to hatch because when all

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of these different cultures are blending together in this area,

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everybody’s got their own legends and lore, right?

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Everybody’s got their own tales to tell and mysteries that are never going to

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be solved. And then they all kind of start blurring together as the years go

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by and morphing into something that’s congealed.

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Yeah, it’s kind of like a rabbit hole. You find one story which leads to another

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story, which leads to another, and it’s just never ending. Like this town just has so many stories.

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Yeah, and the best part about it is you can go visit almost every single one

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of these areas and kind of immerse yourself in it.

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if you put yourself in that vibe and think about all of the stories in the history,

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you can still picture it almost.

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You know, like, yes, obviously, it’s developed in the area and things like that,

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but there are still very amazing parts of this town and of this area that you

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really could imagine what it was like 200, 300 years ago, and I love that.

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Yeah, and there’s so, I don’t think people realize, I truly did not realize

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until we had done that tour together how many famous families lived in Sleepy

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Hollow and so many authors.

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And it was like New York City adjacent, and especially around that time.

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You’re right there, you’re right by New York City. But so many,

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the Rockefellers have huge impact, like you just said. And like,

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who are some of the other families?

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Oh, they have Andrew Carnegie at the Sleepy Hollow Cemetery.

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No money at all in that family.

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Right, yeah. And I mean, back to the Rockefellers, you know,

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William Rockefeller’s mausoleum is there.

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And because of General Motors being developed in the Tarrytown area in the early

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1900s, I mean, that really helped put that area as well on the map.

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Yeah. And it’s, I mean, when you go there, you’re like, oh, I can see the old

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money everywhere, oozing through those buildings.

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Sure can. What’s the name of the house in town as well?

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The house? What’s the, um, like Phillipsburg Manor?

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Yes, that’s what it is. Phillipsburg Manor.

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So, and that is actually a place that I have not gotten to see myself yet.

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I mean, literally have driven past it so many times, but haven’t been able to

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find the time yet to go walk the grounds.

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But I mean, it’s because of Frederick Phillips, who again, this Dutch settler

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that that started buying all these parcels of land that wound up being this

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lower Westchester area that the old Dutch church was even built thanks to his wife who had the idea.

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His first wife, I should say.

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And again, like really weird fact here and maybe we should move away from fun

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facts and go to like weird, odd facts or whatever.

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No one, I have not been able to figure out and I haven’t found any research

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as to where his first wife is buried, but Frederick Phillips and his second

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wife are buried in the crypt of the old Dutch church.

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So I don’t know what happened to Mrs. First-Timer over there.

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Ooh, girl.

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But it was her idea.

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Interesting.

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And I like to tell everyone that because I’m like, let’s give her credit, please. Okay?

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Yeah.

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That’s interesting. So listeners, if you know the story of where she’s buried.

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Or what happened to her.

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Yeah, we wanna know.

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She’s probably under the church. So, I mean, like history aside,

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you know when you go somewhere and you’re like, oh, this feels haunted.

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That town feels haunted.

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Someone’s watching me.

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Yeah, it feels like you get that vibe for sure. And I mean, one of the most

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popular stories that we’re going to talk about today and we’re gonna tell you

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in a little bit is the Lady of Raven Rock.

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And that is, if you just want to touch on what that, did you talk about that

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at all in your tours? Is that something that you do?

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I do not, no, I do not. Because Raven Rock, again, a real place that you can

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go and visit is on the Rockefeller Estate.

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So if you, and again, very close to Phillipsburg Manor, you know,

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over the transition of the land, The Rockefellers built Kaikou, which is their mansion.

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And it is, it’s from what I’ve read, it is a very hard place to find Raven Rock.

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Like you have, it takes, it will take you about an hour to find it.

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And God bless, you know, some online bloggers that recorded and documented.

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And I mean, in detail, pictures, topographical maps, like they want you to go find this area.

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And I’m with it because when we do take our field trip there,

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I think we’re going to have to put in some good solid hiking to go see this

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place. It’s on the Rockefeller State Park Preserve.

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And but it’s it’s almost like a detached park.

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You know, you have to kind of take the road less traveled to find it. And I think.

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That probably transitions really well into why there are so many different possible

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white ladies of Raven Rock because I don’t think just one person got lost around that area.

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No, there’s so many. I mean, you guys might have to put one of those baby things

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on me to keep me tethered to you like so I don’t go missing when we go. I tend to wander.

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Dale, you did a lot of research on the story of the Lady of Raven Rock,

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right, for this episode?

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Yeah, and I think what’s interesting is there’s a lot of stories that kind of,

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they all kind of intertwine with

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each other. So there’s so many different versions of the story out there.

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And the story that we will tell in a little bit is a unique story in itself.

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But what’s crazy is that there are so many bits and pieces from a lot of the local lore that,

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I think we’ll dive into after we hear the story. But one of the crazy things is there’s a ton of,

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and Dina, I feel like you probably know more about this stuff,

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but there were a ton of, well, I guess two murders that took place right by the rock.

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There was like a boy that was found by Raven Rock.

00:16:28.536 –> 00:16:32.228
And from that, there was a lot of lore that kind of like went around there,

00:16:32.228 –> 00:16:40.585
but there was never, I believe it was the owner of a farm, and he was arrested

00:16:40.585 –> 00:16:42.726
for killing one of his workers.

00:16:44.708 –> 00:16:49.432
And then there was another story where they didn’t find a body,

00:16:49.432 –> 00:16:54.336
but the lore was that there were hauntings around the rock.

00:16:54.336 –> 00:16:59.940
So I think there’s just like so many different stories around that, that- I love that.

00:16:59.940 –> 00:17:04.133
Yeah, I know, and I almost don’t wanna debunk any of them, but you know I’m

00:17:04.133 –> 00:17:06.785
gonna have to be like, nope, that one, nope, couldn’t have happened.

00:17:06.785 –> 00:17:08.887
Yeah, and I think that’s the thing, is I think there’s a lot of,

00:17:08.887 –> 00:17:11.528
you’re the history person with all this stuff.

00:17:11.528 –> 00:17:14.651
I think there’s- You guys are giving me way too much credit here. I just read a lot.

00:17:14.651 –> 00:17:20.155
Do I retain the information? Yeah, sometimes.

00:17:20.155 –> 00:17:24.568
I think it definitely is, it’s a great way to start our little segment,

00:17:24.568 –> 00:17:28.141
because, I mean, that really sparks the interest in people, right?

00:17:28.141 –> 00:17:32.724
You hear this, I hear this. let’s go, let’s go see it and try and figure out

00:17:32.724 –> 00:17:38.249
which one could have been true. You know, I like to believe that this white

00:17:38.249 –> 00:17:41.931
lady and this area, I can see it happening.

00:17:42.292 –> 00:17:49.417
And that is why I love this idea of a ghost that haunts this area because I

00:17:49.417 –> 00:17:52.619
don’t believe that all, how about this, I don’t believe that all spirits are

00:17:52.619 –> 00:17:55.342
evil because they’re not, right?

00:17:55.342 –> 00:17:59.615
And I think that this story is not something to scare someone,

00:17:59.615 –> 00:18:06.310
this spirit, whoever she might be, is there to warn people, to keep them safe.

00:18:06.310 –> 00:18:09.872
And I love that view of the story.

00:18:10.433 –> 00:18:13.495
More than watch out, someone’s going to kill you. You know, we,

00:18:13.495 –> 00:18:16.638
that, yes, we love those ghost stories. We love those kinds of stories,

00:18:17.278 –> 00:18:18.165
but you know, it’s kind of nice

00:18:18.165 –> 00:18:21.912
to be able to visit an area and just think someone is looking out for you.

00:18:21.912 –> 00:18:25.865
Rather than- Especially because you said it’s like in the middle of nowhere.

00:18:25.865 –> 00:18:27.626
It is, yeah.

00:18:27.626 –> 00:18:30.618
And I like to be scared though.

00:18:30.618 –> 00:18:34.171
I mean, I still would be scared if she popped out and was like,

00:18:34.171 –> 00:18:36.373
watch out, you know, I’d be like, ah, and run away.

00:18:38.435 –> 00:18:42.317
But at least she’d be looking out for me. She’d have good intentions, you know?

00:18:42.317 –> 00:18:46.419
Yes, that’s fair. That’s true. That’s true. You know, and I think maybe that’s

00:18:46.419 –> 00:18:48.720
why, because we’re all kind of similar in that thing.

00:18:48.720 –> 00:18:52.361
I love the, you know, when you meet people and they’re like,

00:18:52.361 –> 00:18:55.482
I don’t believe in ghosts. Okay, I don’t believe in like the,

00:18:55.482 –> 00:18:59.443
you know, like the ghost hunting shows where you know it’s all fake and they’re

00:18:59.443 –> 00:19:01.344
just like, whatever. But I, but I.

00:19:02.208 –> 00:19:06.270
I believe in it. Do you guys? Oh, 100%.

00:19:06.270 –> 00:19:06.451
Okay.

00:19:06.451 –> 00:19:09.072
You can’t tell me to? Yes. Yes.

00:19:09.072 –> 00:19:09.573
No. Yeah.

00:19:10.133 –> 00:19:15.517
You can’t tell me that there aren’t ways to communicate with. Yeah.

00:19:15.517 –> 00:19:19.339
I don’t think you can get into this stuff as much as we are without believing

00:19:19.339 –> 00:19:21.120
there’s something more out there.

00:19:21.120 –> 00:19:24.743
Okay. So that’s good that we established baseline. So if you don’t,

00:19:24.743 –> 00:19:27.205
maybe by the end of this podcast, we’ll convince you to.

00:19:27.205 –> 00:19:31.868
And if you haven’t visited Sleepy Hollow, highly recommend it because it is

00:19:31.868 –> 00:19:34.770
first of all, beautiful, aesthetically beautiful. But this time of year,

00:19:34.770 –> 00:19:37.452
why do you guys think this podcast is coming out in October?

00:19:38.133 –> 00:19:39.754
It is spooky season, bitches.

00:19:42.797 –> 00:19:45.899
It leans into Halloween so freaking hard.

00:19:46.640 –> 00:19:53.084
The whole town is decked out and there is definitely a feeling that things have gone on there.

00:19:53.505 –> 00:19:57.368
And maybe there’s places in the world where spirits just feel like chill,

00:19:57.368 –> 00:19:58.709
like, like, hey, yeah, we can hang here.

00:19:58.729 –> 00:20:01.711
Everybody’s cool with it. So if we want to hang out.

00:20:02.311 –> 00:20:07.105
And you had mentioned this a little bit earlier, you know, in terms of its location,

00:20:07.105 –> 00:20:09.777
25 miles North of New York City.

00:20:10.438 –> 00:20:16.402
You know, so to think back hundreds of years of when people were first kind

00:20:16.402 –> 00:20:18.303
of emigrating over here,

00:20:18.303 –> 00:20:22.667
think of all the different cultures that were coming here and the things that

00:20:22.667 –> 00:20:27.191
could have happened, you know, that really started all of this.

00:20:27.452 –> 00:20:32.436
It’s so true. It’s a train stop too, which is super fun. Like Tarrytown is a

00:20:32.436 –> 00:20:35.218
stop on the train, so it’s easy to get to, which is great.

00:20:35.218 –> 00:20:36.279
Sure is, yeah.

00:20:36.279 –> 00:20:39.762
So we’re gonna take a short break, and when we get back, we are going to tell

00:20:39.762 –> 00:20:42.204
you the tale of the White Lady of Raven Rock.

00:20:59.799 –> 00:21:03.982
All right, guys, welcome back. Dale has a little fact to share with us before we get ready.

00:21:04.503 –> 00:21:09.076
Yeah, this is super random, but kind of interesting. So in the story,

00:21:09.076 –> 00:21:16.331
in an article, I should say, they talk about how where Raven Rock is located,

00:21:16.331 –> 00:21:21.595
there are no ravens or crows to be found.

00:21:22.216 –> 00:21:25.558
And they don’t know why. Oh, boy.

00:21:25.558 –> 00:21:26.419
I did read that myself.

00:21:27.341 –> 00:21:29.001
Yeah, I think that’s fascinating.

00:21:29.001 –> 00:21:32.443
I mean, could it be irony? Could it be tied into something?

00:21:32.804 –> 00:21:33.785
I don’t know.

00:21:34.256 –> 00:21:40.850
I mean, I also think, you know, this is me being forever the skeptic and maybe

00:21:40.850 –> 00:21:44.753
somewhat judgy, I don’t know, but you know how many people confuse ravens and crows?

00:21:45.634 –> 00:21:51.639
Like, what if someone was just like seeing, you know, a murder of crows and

00:21:51.639 –> 00:21:54.260
was like, well, Crow Rock doesn’t sound fun.

00:21:55.121 –> 00:21:55.761
Does not.

00:21:55.761 –> 00:21:59.263
So, ooh, Raven, Raven Rock, ooh, I like the alliteration, let’s,

00:21:59.263 –> 00:22:01.484
yeah, let’s stick with that. And then everyone was like, well,

00:22:01.484 –> 00:22:05.166
where are the Ravens? And, oh my God, they’re not there. I don’t know.

00:22:05.166 –> 00:22:06.326
That’s just what I made up in my head.

00:22:06.326 –> 00:22:07.687
It’s fascinating.

00:22:07.687 –> 00:22:08.047
Yeah.

00:22:08.047 –> 00:22:09.888
Dale, lead us into our spooky story.

00:22:10.329 –> 00:22:17.452
It’s time, dear listener, cozy up, get ready to hear the tale of the White Lady of Raven and rocked.

00:26:43.945 –> 00:26:46.747
I’ll just jump right in and start us

00:26:46.747 –> 00:26:49.869
off with you know that was such a wonderful story

00:26:49.869 –> 00:26:53.111
about this this woman in white right

00:26:53.111 –> 00:27:00.116
which has started off so many different stories you know in so many different

00:27:00.116 –> 00:27:04.880
cultures dating back all the way you can find this being mentioned even back

00:27:04.880 –> 00:27:09.023
in like King Arthur times you know talking about Camelot and things like that

00:27:09.023 –> 00:27:12.025
and was it a witch is it a ghost,

00:27:12.025 –> 00:27:15.908
you know, what are we blaming this woman for now? You know, it’s kind of one of those things.

00:27:17.029 –> 00:27:26.176
And this, you know, woman in white kind of ties in so well with Raven Rock’s lore in itself.

00:27:26.516 –> 00:27:29.378
Because here we have again, another woman in white.

00:27:30.630 –> 00:27:32.561
So which story do we want to start telling?

00:27:33.281 –> 00:27:36.003
I mean, there’s definitely a romantic element to it, which I love.

00:27:36.644 –> 00:27:39.626
And I know that that’s not the only version of,

00:27:39.626 –> 00:27:43.769
uh, the woman in white, uh, the, you know, the haunting of Raven Rock,

00:27:43.769 –> 00:27:49.612
but I just, I love that there’s a feeling when you’re in the woods, right?

00:27:50.173 –> 00:27:53.605
Even when it’s daytime and you’re in the woods by yourself, or even if you’re

00:27:53.605 –> 00:27:56.437
with someone else, there is always this ominous feeling.

00:27:57.558 –> 00:28:01.460
And I feel like this one, like you had mentioned before, Dina,

00:28:01.460 –> 00:28:05.082
um, like you had had said, Dale, there’s, uh, it’s not scary.

00:28:06.323 –> 00:28:09.959
Like if I had seen this woman, this version of this ghost, I’d be like,

00:28:09.959 –> 00:28:13.428
oh, I’m so sorry. You poor thing. Yeah.

00:28:13.428 –> 00:28:20.173
She’s just filled with sorrow. So it’s almost like you see her and just feel for her. Yes.

00:28:20.173 –> 00:28:20.753
Yes.

00:28:20.753 –> 00:28:25.797
Exactly. Not, yeah, not fear, just wanting to understand what happened almost.

00:28:25.797 –> 00:28:28.118
I want to know the story, the full story.

00:28:28.118 –> 00:28:36.464
Absolutely. And so this is one of the biggest ghost lore stories of Sleepy Hollow

00:28:36.464 –> 00:28:37.866
and Tarrytown in that area.

00:28:38.608 –> 00:28:43.735
And what are some of the other versions of this that you found, Dale?

00:28:44.511 –> 00:28:47.733
So, one of them was the story of the bronze lady.

00:28:47.733 –> 00:28:53.157
It was another woman, completely different. Doesn’t take place at Raven Rock,

00:28:53.157 –> 00:28:57.240
but there was a lot of similarities and I think a lot of things that were pulled

00:28:57.240 –> 00:29:02.104
from probably that lore as well as stories from Raven Rock.

00:29:02.504 –> 00:29:06.817
And I think like Dina knows those stories better,

00:29:06.817 –> 00:29:14.102
but I think like for example, there was one In an article, there’s a story,

00:29:14.102 –> 00:29:18.075
it’s titled Shocking Murder at Buttermilk Hill.

00:29:18.556 –> 00:29:22.699
They found a body by Raven Rock and that’s kind of where one of the,

00:29:22.699 –> 00:29:25.320
I think, original stories started.

00:29:27.062 –> 00:29:32.686
So they said that they discovered a skeleton in the woods. It was lying with one leg tucked.

00:29:32.686 –> 00:29:33.346
That’s great.

00:29:33.707 –> 00:29:35.808
In under its torso.

00:29:35.808 –> 00:29:36.308
Fantastic.

00:29:36.308 –> 00:29:41.032
And another wedged against a tree. from June 21st,

00:29:41.032 –> 00:29:47.676
1927, and it was a few school boys exploring around Buttermilk Hill,

00:29:47.676 –> 00:29:54.760
but they were found in the woods close to Raven Rock, and I think a lot of lore

00:29:54.760 –> 00:29:58.363
kind of stemmed from that story as well.

00:29:59.764 –> 00:30:03.166
Just a really traumatic, but what’s interesting about it is there’s There’s

00:30:03.166 –> 00:30:08.164
no information about these two killings, so whether or not it’s true,

00:30:08.164 –> 00:30:12.992
or if it happened, you can’t find anything on it.

00:30:12.992 –> 00:30:15.354
Just this one article that talks about it.

00:30:15.894 –> 00:30:20.197
And they even put in there that they can’t find any information on it,

00:30:20.197 –> 00:30:23.520
which is kind of interesting in itself. Well, who said they were killed? Well, exactly.

00:30:24.100 –> 00:30:27.423
So, like, what? Yeah. I think that’s really interesting. And I think that’s

00:30:27.423 –> 00:30:32.006
where so much lore comes from. You don’t really know if the story…

00:30:32.727 –> 00:30:36.970
There’s a part of it that’s based in fact, I would assume, you know,

00:30:36.970 –> 00:30:39.351
that something happens to start that.

00:30:39.351 –> 00:30:43.234
I had heard this story as like the lady, I don’t know if you guys heard this

00:30:43.234 –> 00:30:46.616
version, but she was wandering in the winter.

00:30:46.616 –> 00:30:47.156
Yes.

00:30:47.156 –> 00:30:51.418
And she got lost in a snowstorm and like you can still hear her screaming on

00:30:51.418 –> 00:30:54.280
like big winter nights when the wind is whistling.

00:30:54.620 –> 00:31:01.324
Like hid by the rock to get away from the wind and the snow and then was never seen again.

00:31:01.324 –> 00:31:04.186
That’s a great part for me to interject because…

00:31:05.566 –> 00:31:09.148
you know, as a teacher, I like to make sure that I have the facts,

00:31:09.148 –> 00:31:15.113
you know, but there are several stories and we can bring it all the way back.

00:31:16.214 –> 00:31:21.578
Sleepy Hollow’s official village historian, Henry Steiner, has wrote about this quite often.

00:31:21.578 –> 00:31:24.500
And I’d like to, you know, think he knows what he’s talking about.

00:31:24.500 –> 00:31:27.563
And I actually have one of his books, shocking, I know.

00:31:27.563 –> 00:31:30.645
But, you know, if we go all the way back

00:31:30.685 –> 00:31:34.248
to how I said Native American culture in this time,

00:31:34.248 –> 00:31:40.513
That’s really where we saw the first tie to Raven Rock, that there was this

00:31:40.513 –> 00:31:46.737
beautiful woman and this man, of course, another person from another tribe.

00:31:47.058 –> 00:31:49.319
Of course, it’s always a fucking man.

00:31:49.319 –> 00:31:54.883
Yeah, I mean, he’s gotta start all the stories. He wanted him for herself, she didn’t want him.

00:31:55.244 –> 00:31:58.526
He got jealous, so he started to pursue her. She was running away.

00:31:59.187 –> 00:32:02.869
And then this is honestly the only mention of Ravens that I’ve ever heard.

00:32:03.550 –> 00:32:07.433
she decides to pray to the spirits to help her get away.

00:32:07.954 –> 00:32:15.539
And I believe she jumps off of the cliff area and becomes a raven.

00:32:16.660 –> 00:32:18.141
I like that one best.

00:32:18.141 –> 00:32:21.023
Yeah.

00:32:21.023 –> 00:32:24.396
Interesting. Now, and obviously, we can hear that and automatically think like,

00:32:24.396 –> 00:32:30.511
ooh, this is a great area to go start this story because then you have all the

00:32:30.511 –> 00:32:31.712
settlers come in, right?

00:32:31.712 –> 00:32:35.755
And then you have the one that you just said, where the most I’ve read about

00:32:35.755 –> 00:32:40.799
has been with this inclement weather of snow, which, hello, we’re all New Yorkers,

00:32:40.799 –> 00:32:43.701
we know exactly the way that stuff rolls.

00:32:44.602 –> 00:32:51.179
And that, yeah, this woman, she was out gathering firewood and kind of the storm

00:32:51.179 –> 00:32:54.794
snuck up on her and she sought shelter and…

00:32:55.822 –> 00:32:58.144
the only thing she could find was, you know, the Raven Rock,

00:32:58.144 –> 00:33:00.005
which is a huge, massive rock, by the way.

00:33:00.306 –> 00:33:05.569
You know, I definitely encourage everyone to, you know, Google and look up some pictures. It’s, yeah.

00:33:05.569 –> 00:33:08.371
I just looked at it before we started the episode and I was like,

00:33:08.371 –> 00:33:11.673
I’m thinking this is going to be like, all right guys, you’ve ever seen fucking

00:33:11.673 –> 00:33:12.734
Plymouth Rock in person?

00:33:13.134 –> 00:33:15.856
It is the most disappointing thing I’ve ever seen in my life.

00:33:15.856 –> 00:33:17.277
I’ve heard that.

00:33:17.277 –> 00:33:21.500
It is so small. I’m like, are we for serious? Like, is this,

00:33:21.500 –> 00:33:24.021
but Raven Rock, it’s like massive.

00:33:24.021 –> 00:33:29.526
Yeah. It looks like a piece of the cliff, just like, like the cliff eroded away

00:33:29.526 –> 00:33:33.349
and just have a chunk of cliff there, which I can totally see how someone would

00:33:33.349 –> 00:33:37.612
hide behind that to, to, you know, get away from the snow.

00:33:37.612 –> 00:33:41.595
So I get that. And it also looks like a place that if kids were being hunted

00:33:41.595 –> 00:33:45.438
and someone was after them in the woods and something malevolent was happening,

00:33:45.438 –> 00:33:51.103
they could have, they could have hid there because it’s, It’s huge,

00:33:51.103 –> 00:33:54.685
like standing up, you cannot be seen.

00:33:54.685 –> 00:34:01.910
And it might’ve blocked some of the storm from hitting this woman,

00:34:01.910 –> 00:34:04.952
but I mean, still freezing temperatures, things like that, and the snow drift

00:34:04.952 –> 00:34:07.714
that would occur against that rock.

00:34:07.714 –> 00:34:14.498
You definitely can see how somebody could be lost to the storm at that time,

00:34:14.498 –> 00:34:20.062
and, you know, disappear until the snow melts

00:34:20.162 –> 00:34:24.727
and then you find this body, unfortunately, of this woman where people start

00:34:24.727 –> 00:34:28.891
to manifest different reasons why she could have been there.

00:34:28.891 –> 00:34:34.116
I will say, though, my favorite story that I’ve heard is a love story.

00:34:35.032 –> 00:34:40.156
And it’s a but it’s a sad one and it still has me very angry at the guy in the

00:34:40.156 –> 00:34:43.999
story. So, I mean, I think we can all attest that every single version of this

00:34:43.999 –> 00:34:46.701
we just really don’t like the men in these stories.

00:34:47.182 –> 00:34:49.243
You know, it’s sounding like that.

00:34:49.243 –> 00:34:53.827
They’re they’re all kind of jerks. And we’re like, what was going on back there, guys? Yeah.

00:34:53.827 –> 00:34:59.952
I also just to jump back to the woman who hides behind the rack for the storm

00:35:00.052 –> 00:35:02.754
I actually found the little blurb of the story.

00:35:03.475 –> 00:35:04.795
I can read it real quick.

00:35:06.277 –> 00:35:10.760
So it’s from the Chronicles of Tarrytown and Sleepy Hollow,

00:35:10.760 –> 00:35:17.024
and it goes, a woman, so we have read, wandered out of the path of a blinding

00:35:17.024 –> 00:35:23.069
snowstorm and sought shelter from the blast of wind in the ravine behind Raven Rock.

00:35:23.069 –> 00:35:28.773
The snow drifted in upon her and she went to sleep, never to awaken again.

00:35:30.635 –> 00:35:34.437
Ever since, that cleft has been a place of refuge,

00:35:34.437 –> 00:35:39.801
for it is said that the spirit of the poor wayfarer meets the belated wanderer

00:35:39.801 –> 00:35:43.763
with cries that sound like the screaming of the wind,

00:35:43.763 –> 00:35:50.928
and gestures that remind one of the sweep of snowdrifts warning others away

00:35:50.928 –> 00:35:55.452
from the spot that she was found so fatal, which is kind of crazy.

00:35:55.472 –> 00:35:58.754
Ooh, that’s creepy. And you know, I like that.

00:35:58.754 –> 00:36:02.417
I mean, all versions of the story, like we had said in the beginning,

00:36:02.417 –> 00:36:07.501
like there’s always a lady in white, and maybe it’s just because the storyteller

00:36:07.501 –> 00:36:12.544
that just did that incredible story makes me feel like goosebumping and freaked out.

00:36:15.547 –> 00:36:19.670
But there’s something to be said about, Like, you know, if both versions,

00:36:19.670 –> 00:36:23.335
I mean, there could be multiple women’s, women of Raven Rock,

00:36:23.335 –> 00:36:26.080
that could just be a place of refuge that they go to to be ghosts.

00:36:27.284 –> 00:36:29.668
but there is a definite freakiness to…

00:36:31.091 –> 00:36:35.234
if you’ve never lived in an area during a snowstorm, when the wind is howling

00:36:35.234 –> 00:36:38.417
like through leafless trees, there’s no leaves on the trees at this point,

00:36:38.417 –> 00:36:41.919
so just blowing through these branches, it sounds like somebody’s screaming.

00:36:41.919 –> 00:36:43.200
Yeah, absolutely.

00:36:43.200 –> 00:36:47.483
And could you imagine being in the woods, hearing that, and then also hearing

00:36:47.483 –> 00:36:50.306
what you think is a woman’s scream, and not being able to differentiate the

00:36:50.306 –> 00:36:53.368
two, would shit my pants, shit in my pantaloons.

00:36:53.368 –> 00:36:54.909
Terrifying.

00:36:54.909 –> 00:36:58.452
And I think, before I depress you all with the sad love story,

00:36:58.452 –> 00:37:03.396
I think we can all attest that anything we’ve ever probably read about,

00:37:03.396 –> 00:37:07.399
watched about when it comes to ghosts is there has to be some form of trauma, right?

00:37:07.779 –> 00:37:13.944
There has to be something that would keep the spirit in this area because they can’t rest, right?

00:37:13.944 –> 00:37:18.488
So some of the other possibilities that I’ve found, and I’ll just hit you with

00:37:18.488 –> 00:37:21.430
the bullet points here, but, and again, I don’t know if they’re true.

00:37:21.430 –> 00:37:26.254
I don’t know if they’re true. They kind of seem more fictitious to me as something

00:37:26.254 –> 00:37:30.437
that could have adapted in the closer time period that we’re in right now.

00:37:30.437 –> 00:37:38.593
But they, because they deal with car accidents and that one of the women whose

00:37:38.593 –> 00:37:44.888
alleged name might have been Mary died on the Sleepy Hollow Road,

00:37:44.888 –> 00:37:48.891
which ironically meets Mount Misery Road.

00:37:49.011 –> 00:37:54.025
I mean- I mean, you’re putting these things out there. I’m just saying,

00:37:54.025 –> 00:37:58.058
but she died on the road after being pushed out of the car by her boyfriend.

00:37:58.319 –> 00:38:03.002
And then some people say she jumped out of the car and died as a result of injury.

00:38:04.043 –> 00:38:07.005
And that’s why, you know, some people say as they’re driving down this road,

00:38:07.005 –> 00:38:10.107
they see this white figure and they drive through it.

00:38:10.828 –> 00:38:14.110
And I mean, that’s stuff that horror movies are made of. Yeah.

00:38:14.392 –> 00:38:15.273
That’s my fear.

00:38:15.695 –> 00:38:18.513
Some people think it could have been a teenager who was hit by a car.

00:38:18.513 –> 00:38:20.689
I think the creepiest one.

00:38:21.712 –> 00:38:27.496
Again, because I don’t know if I really find the story that I like creepy,

00:38:27.496 –> 00:38:32.300
but the creepy one that I heard was that this woman was a patient at a hospital

00:38:32.300 –> 00:38:34.842
that used to be located near the roof. I love it. Yeah.

00:38:34.842 –> 00:38:35.663
Hospitals.

00:38:35.663 –> 00:38:42.728
And this was like mid 1800s that the hospital mysteriously burned down and trapped people inside.

00:38:43.489 –> 00:38:47.652
And allegedly she might have been the one that burned down the hospital.

00:38:47.932 –> 00:38:49.573
Like she torched the place herself.

00:38:49.573 –> 00:38:50.034
Yeah.

00:38:50.034 –> 00:38:55.878
Okay. and people claim to see, you know, like Spectre and hear the cries of

00:38:55.878 –> 00:38:57.279
those who were tragically lost.

00:38:59.101 –> 00:39:02.543
But ironically, the name is always Mary. I don’t know why.

00:39:02.543 –> 00:39:03.084
Interesting.

00:39:03.084 –> 00:39:03.904
Poor Mary.

00:39:03.904 –> 00:39:08.028
There’s some witch ties in here too, you know, that she could be a ghost of

00:39:08.028 –> 00:39:12.191
a woman who was hung on the side of the road during the witch hunts because

00:39:12.191 –> 00:39:16.234
we might not be Salem, but I’d say we’re the next closest thing.

00:39:16.234 –> 00:39:22.058
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, agreed. So tell us the depressing love story that’ll make us

00:39:22.058 –> 00:39:22.998
all cry into our pillows.

00:39:22.998 –> 00:39:24.580
Okay, great.

00:39:24.580 –> 00:39:25.720
Yeah, I’m ready.

00:39:25.720 –> 00:39:29.843
I have this wonderful book called Legends and Lore of Sleepy Hollow and the

00:39:29.843 –> 00:39:34.086
Hudson Valley by Jonathan Crux, who is extremely popular, especially this time

00:39:34.086 –> 00:39:39.069
of year, because he does really great storytelling live and in person.

00:39:39.069 –> 00:39:42.892
I have not myself been able to get over to see him in person yet,

00:39:42.892 –> 00:39:49.038
but I have watched him on YouTube and am begging him to come do a performance.

00:39:49.038 –> 00:39:53.062
And in his book, where he talks about all these different versions of the White

00:39:53.062 –> 00:39:55.865
Lady of Raven Rock, he brings it back to the American Revolution,

00:39:55.865 –> 00:39:57.606
which Westchester is…

00:39:58.308 –> 00:40:05.613
deep in the revolution, which is also how we kind of hear about the possibility

00:40:05.613 –> 00:40:09.955
of a Hessian who loses his head during the Battle of White Plains.

00:40:11.297 –> 00:40:15.199
That battle is brought up again here because British soldiers would,

00:40:15.199 –> 00:40:20.783
what’s the word, when they would stay with local areas, they would- Being put

00:40:20.783 –> 00:40:25.026
up by like the families? Yeah, like they would quarter with local families.

00:40:25.666 –> 00:40:32.021
And one of the British soldiers that walked into this woman’s house, they fall in love.

00:40:32.451 –> 00:40:36.214
And I was like, oh, yay, happy story, because I was so nervous for her as these

00:40:36.214 –> 00:40:39.016
British officers were like, you know, like, hey, we’re gonna stay here,

00:40:39.016 –> 00:40:40.557
lady, take off my boots, you know?

00:40:41.178 –> 00:40:44.399
And the two of them fall in love, but of course he has to finish his service.

00:40:45.441 –> 00:40:49.423
So he takes her up to Raven Rock. He proposes to her and he says,

00:40:49.423 –> 00:40:52.245
once my service is over, I will meet you here in a year.

00:40:52.646 –> 00:40:56.588
You can, you know, you can see the Hudson River from here and you could see

00:40:56.588 –> 00:41:02.693
that I’ll be sailing back to you, you’ll see my white, again, white sail, right?

00:41:02.693 –> 00:41:03.494
The cue there.

00:41:03.494 –> 00:41:06.516
Yeah, and she makes her wedding dress during this time,

00:41:06.516 –> 00:41:11.140
again, a white dress, and during that time, you know, she gets there on that

00:41:11.140 –> 00:41:16.544
day, she waits for him and waits for him and waits for him and he doesn’t come

00:41:16.544 –> 00:41:21.088
back and she winds up dying up there. Yeah.

00:41:21.088 –> 00:41:25.171
I mean, I feel like I could have called that, I had an inkling that might happen.

00:41:25.751 –> 00:41:32.536
Well, but you had mentioned the sound of this wailing, screaming woman in the woods, right?

00:41:32.536 –> 00:41:33.297
Yeah.

00:41:33.297 –> 00:41:39.301
And this says that she called my beloved, is that you, have you come for me?

00:41:40.042 –> 00:41:42.984
Because she keeps seeing things and hoping that it’s him.

00:41:43.345 –> 00:41:48.109
And she winds up sitting there and again, this snowstorm comes through and this

00:41:48.109 –> 00:41:53.322
poor woman dies of frostbite and blistered bloody lips and the snow just piles

00:41:53.322 –> 00:41:55.468
on top of her and they find her in the spring.

00:41:56.536 –> 00:42:02.180
And that’s how the story ends and I’m like, excuse me, homeboy, what happened to you?

00:42:02.180 –> 00:42:03.382
That’s very tragic.

00:42:03.382 –> 00:42:05.203
Right, like he did not come back.

00:42:05.203 –> 00:42:07.405
What happened with this guy? Is he dead? He better be dead.

00:42:07.405 –> 00:42:09.186
That’s what I’m saying. I don’t know.

00:42:09.186 –> 00:42:11.047
That’s crazy.

00:42:11.047 –> 00:42:14.790
But she’s still looking for him. And so, you know, the wailing that we hear

00:42:14.790 –> 00:42:17.532
is her crying, still looking for him.

00:42:17.532 –> 00:42:22.216
Like she’s wandering the woods, standing on Raven Rock, looking for him.

00:42:22.276 –> 00:42:24.918
It reminds me of an episode of, you know, Are You Afraid of the Dark?

00:42:25.539 –> 00:42:28.101
Oh, I loved that show. I did too.

00:42:28.741 –> 00:42:29.962
They need to bring that back.

00:42:30.323 –> 00:42:32.985
They were never scary to me though. They were like, God, are you kidding me?

00:42:32.985 –> 00:42:33.245
I was terrified.

00:42:33.245 –> 00:42:34.165
I loved them.

00:42:34.826 –> 00:42:38.048
I didn’t think they were scary. Deena, you were also scared of the Goonies.

00:42:38.048 –> 00:42:42.212
Yeah, I knew you were gonna say that. You were scared of the Goonies. I was.

00:42:42.212 –> 00:42:48.196
Sloth was terrifying as a child of a small age that did not understand what was going on.

00:42:48.196 –> 00:42:51.319
What was happening. I could see that. I could see that, definitely.

00:42:51.319 –> 00:42:53.380
My mom used to always tell me that he was nice.

00:42:53.380 –> 00:42:56.102
The way he’s introduced to you is very scary.

00:42:56.102 –> 00:42:59.485
And chained up in that room? Come on. I mean, yeah, at the end,

00:42:59.485 –> 00:43:02.027
when he pulls off the Superman outfit, I mean, that’s not scary.

00:43:02.027 –> 00:43:07.271
He’s supposed to be very lovable, but he definitely is introduced in a creepy way.

00:43:07.271 –> 00:43:08.252
I was four.

00:43:08.792 –> 00:43:09.553
I loved him.

00:43:10.394 –> 00:43:12.195
I might’ve been older than four, but I don’t know.

00:43:12.195 –> 00:43:17.959
In front of him, I wanted to take him home. Rocky Road? I know, see, how could you not?

00:43:18.700 –> 00:43:23.582
But I think that, I mean, I love that we started with this story because it

00:43:23.582 –> 00:43:30.267
is spooky and there’s so many different versions of the story that none of them

00:43:30.267 –> 00:43:32.288
are less creepy than the other.

00:43:32.288 –> 00:43:34.449
Some of them more depressing. Thank you, Dina.

00:43:36.071 –> 00:43:37.031
But sorrow filled.

00:43:37.512 –> 00:43:42.014
Yeah, they’re all so sad. Like any of them are so sad.

00:43:42.014 –> 00:43:46.697
And I feel like I mean, the whole point of this podcast is each season we’re

00:43:46.697 –> 00:43:50.660
gonna uncover the creepy stories of small towns because,

00:43:50.660 –> 00:43:54.563
you know, Sleepy Hollow is just one creepy town that happens to be close to

00:43:54.563 –> 00:43:59.806
us, one that we can physically go see and have been part of and been able to feel that creepiness.

00:44:00.187 –> 00:44:02.388
But I feel like this is a really good place to start.

00:44:02.429 –> 00:44:05.310
And that is such a good thing because I have a question for both of you.

00:44:05.310 –> 00:44:05.610
Yeah.

00:44:05.610 –> 00:44:07.652
Yes, I’m ready. I’m ready too. Oh, I like this.

00:44:07.652 –> 00:44:13.956
What would you do if you were driving down one of these roads and you saw a white-ish figure?

00:44:16.078 –> 00:44:16.918
Follow them. follow them.

00:44:16.918 –> 00:44:19.380
Because think about it, there’s no street lights in these back roads,

00:44:19.380 –> 00:44:21.601
like we all know that too, too well, right?

00:44:21.882 –> 00:44:26.505
But then you see something illuminated that looks like a, like a A human?

00:44:27.734 –> 00:44:29.896
Randomly walking around glowing white. What would you do?

00:44:29.896 –> 00:44:36.880
I would follow you’re a liar Because I would think I’d be very curious I feel

00:44:36.880 –> 00:44:39.142
like they would be trying to get my help.

00:44:39.142 –> 00:44:44.005
I would just want to know what it is I guess I’m just like a true New Yorker

00:44:44.005 –> 00:44:50.029
and I would mind my business and accelerate Be like, nope, nope, they’re fine.

00:44:51.090 –> 00:44:56.574
I I used to house sit for neighbors that lived up the road from me.

00:44:56.634 –> 00:45:00.197
And at night I’d walk home and it’s quick.

00:45:00.197 –> 00:45:06.521
First of all, what? You live in the middle of fucking nowhere and I can say

00:45:06.521 –> 00:45:10.585
that as the person who lives in the middle of nowhere where you grow up.

00:45:11.025 –> 00:45:15.669
But it was, so I, two different places I lived, right? I lived in one house

00:45:15.669 –> 00:45:19.692
that actually was on the border of like park land.

00:45:20.332 –> 00:45:22.654
and so it was- That’s how you die.

00:45:22.654 –> 00:45:23.615
Yeah. That’s how you die.

00:45:23.615 –> 00:45:28.419
It’s in the middle of nowhere, but my grandparents lived down the driveway,

00:45:28.419 –> 00:45:32.782
which was a really long driveway, and I would go from their house to my house

00:45:32.782 –> 00:45:36.084
or from my house to their house, and at night, and there weren’t any lights.

00:45:36.084 –> 00:45:39.607
And so I grew up doing that, so I was never afraid of being out in the dark.

00:45:39.607 –> 00:45:41.469
I just would talk to myself.

00:45:41.469 –> 00:45:42.730
I’m just afraid of the dark.

00:45:42.730 –> 00:45:48.134
Wouldn’t be afraid, but what’s funny about that is when you are in the dark,

00:45:48.134 –> 00:45:50.956
when there’s literally no lights, because there’s no lights in the country.

00:45:50.956 –> 00:45:53.198
It’s a different kind of dark. It’s a different kind of dark.

00:45:53.198 –> 00:45:59.713
And like, if you let yourself get into your own head, you freak yourself out.

00:45:59.713 –> 00:46:05.147
Like I would run home because I would be like, I definitely heard something.

00:46:05.567 –> 00:46:09.590
That was a sound, that was a tree branch cracking, that was,

00:46:09.590 –> 00:46:15.174
and most likely it was a bear or a deer. I think that’s equally terrifying. You know, like exactly.

00:46:15.955 –> 00:46:19.757
But I used to do it all the time. And I think like that kind of stuff,

00:46:19.757 –> 00:46:25.640
I loved that. I actually really enjoyed walking home alone in the pitch black,

00:46:25.640 –> 00:46:29.102
And like literally the only letter, the moon and stars.

00:46:29.919 –> 00:46:34.402
And like you just kind of let your head, you know, play tricks on you a little

00:46:34.402 –> 00:46:36.664
bit. And it’s it’s great. I love it.

00:46:36.664 –> 00:46:41.487
So what you’re saying is we are going to camp out at the Raven Rock.

00:46:41.928 –> 00:46:45.210
Dina will shit her pants and leave.

00:46:45.871 –> 00:46:49.313
No, I won’t. I’ll stay. But I’m not. I’m not. You’re going to I’m going to be

00:46:49.313 –> 00:46:50.954
the most quiet you’ve ever heard me in my life.

00:46:52.296 –> 00:46:56.198
See, I do. I think, too, like I’m the type of person that really enjoys like

00:46:56.198 –> 00:46:58.480
I love of scary movies I love,

00:46:58.480 –> 00:47:04.198
scary shows I love, all that kind of stuff, I am not a huge fan of haunted houses

00:47:04.198 –> 00:47:09.008
because I don’t like not being able to get myself out of it.

00:47:09.008 –> 00:47:13.691
So if I’m watching a scary movie and I’m like, nope, I can just turn it off.

00:47:13.691 –> 00:47:17.814
But if you’re doing those haunted hay rides or whatever where people will grab

00:47:17.814 –> 00:47:21.877
you or you go to Six Flags and you walk around for Fright Night and the people

00:47:21.877 –> 00:47:24.059
come after you, I don’t like those.

00:47:24.179 –> 00:47:26.981
they like make me feel like I’m going to die.

00:47:26.981 –> 00:47:32.405
I have the best story for you then. Are you ready? You wanna talk about shitting

00:47:32.405 –> 00:47:34.827
your pants? Like she wouldn’t have survived this.

00:47:35.228 –> 00:47:40.952
So I was on a blind date with a friend and her boyfriend. They set me up with

00:47:40.952 –> 00:47:42.954
a friend and we went to Newburgh.

00:47:42.954 –> 00:47:45.576
It was not me. No, it was not you. I did not do this.

00:47:45.576 –> 00:47:49.659
No. Are you guys familiar with the terror dome in Newburgh? This was a million years ago.

00:47:49.659 –> 00:47:50.820
No.

00:47:50.820 –> 00:47:56.054
So yeah, I had a friend and her boyfriend who wanted to set me up with one of his friends.

00:47:56.765 –> 00:48:00.727
What better double date than go to a haunted house with someone,

00:48:00.727 –> 00:48:04.290
right? I mean, it just spells lasting relationship.

00:48:04.671 –> 00:48:06.771
Never saw him again after that, by the way.

00:48:07.273 –> 00:48:10.335
But so we get there. And the way they set this haunted house up was wonderful.

00:48:10.335 –> 00:48:13.347
It was like multiple houses, but you were on a path.

00:48:13.347 –> 00:48:16.240
So you kept going from one to the other to the other. I loved it.

00:48:16.240 –> 00:48:20.703
Like I’m very, very organized like that. So it worked well with my brain.

00:48:20.703 –> 00:48:26.567
but there’s this like Grim Reaper creepy guy that introduces everything and

00:48:26.567 –> 00:48:28.449
kind of explains the rules and blah, blah, blah.

00:48:28.829 –> 00:48:34.213
Of course, the guy I’m there with used to be in the Navy and he has to be this

00:48:34.213 –> 00:48:36.975
like magic guy, like, oh, I’ll lead the way, you know?

00:48:36.975 –> 00:48:41.599
And so these guys like, you know, they just, they got to target him and who’s

00:48:41.599 –> 00:48:46.402
next to him? Oh, right, the blonde. Like this was like spelling horror, right?

00:48:46.823 –> 00:48:50.485
So we wind up going into this one house And homeboy Grim Reaper must’ve told

00:48:50.485 –> 00:48:55.209
his friends who we are because we get into this room that’s pitch black.

00:48:55.209 –> 00:48:58.331
And like I said, Dayelle, when you were talking, I truly am like,

00:48:58.331 –> 00:49:02.595
I may have two fears, the dark and water. I hate them both, okay?

00:49:02.975 –> 00:49:06.538
And it’s that kind of dark. You cannot see your hand in front of your face,

00:49:06.538 –> 00:49:10.085
but you have to kind of put your hands out because the walls are narrowing and

00:49:10.085 –> 00:49:14.138
you’re like kind of moving around. I am not lying to you. all of a sudden we hear.

00:49:17.020 –> 00:49:21.023
Navy boy, and I’m like, get me out of here right now.

00:49:21.743 –> 00:49:25.146
And we finally like see the light at the end of the tunnel and I take off for

00:49:25.146 –> 00:49:29.429
it. Mind you, my friend’s boyfriend is like this 350 pound line biker.

00:49:29.429 –> 00:49:32.151
And I like knock him out of the way cause I’m like, yo, I gotta go.

00:49:32.852 –> 00:49:38.576
And as we get to the end, I’m not lying, this like creepy voice trails after

00:49:38.576 –> 00:49:40.978
us, we’ll find you Navy boy.

00:49:41.338 –> 00:49:45.261
And I was like, you had to piss them off. You had to act macho.

00:49:45.261 –> 00:49:47.262
I’m not with him, you know.

00:49:49.764 –> 00:49:50.564
Just run.

00:49:50.564 –> 00:49:55.868
I did. I did. I took off like burst out the door. People were waiting in line.

00:49:55.868 –> 00:49:59.291
We’re like, Oh my God, like what happened in there? You know, that is the whole thing.

00:49:59.971 –> 00:50:03.213
So what if you saw the Lady of Raven Rock in one of the…

00:50:03.574 –> 00:50:04.374
I’d be gone.

00:50:04.374 –> 00:50:09.508
I wouldn’t, I mean, I’m such a creep. I think I would be like you asked the question before.

00:50:09.678 –> 00:50:13.521
I would be like Dale and I would follow it. Like, I want to know.

00:50:13.521 –> 00:50:15.923
I want to talk to you. I want you to tell me everything.

00:50:15.923 –> 00:50:17.604
I think you’d have to calm me down first.

00:50:18.105 –> 00:50:21.867
Yeah, I don’t know that I would talk to it. I would just follow it and then

00:50:21.867 –> 00:50:25.029
watch. I could see you, Amanda, talking to her.

00:50:25.029 –> 00:50:27.171
I could totally see Amanda talking to her.

00:50:27.171 –> 00:50:29.633
I would like hide behind the tree and watch.

00:50:30.144 –> 00:50:34.417
Like, why are you crying? Do you need a friend?

00:50:34.417 –> 00:50:35.718
Do you want my money?

00:50:35.838 –> 00:50:38.485
Amanda would be best friends with this ghost in minutes.

00:50:38.485 –> 00:50:40.871
And then she turns around and she has no face.

00:50:41.594 –> 00:50:43.597
Yeah, like the gif that I saw.

00:50:43.597 –> 00:50:44.197
Oh, you’re-

00:50:45.076 –> 00:50:48.720
like cute, somebody loves you. Somewhere.

00:50:48.720 –> 00:50:52.242
I’m sure he’s coming. Just wait a little bit longer.

00:50:52.242 –> 00:50:54.483
Yeah, you just have to wait a little longer. Are you the, I’ll be like,

00:50:54.483 –> 00:50:56.885
are you the heartbroken one, the snow one?

00:50:56.885 –> 00:50:57.306
Yeah, right.

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Are you the murdered kid? You just gotta tell me which one you are.

00:50:59.928 –> 00:51:02.750
Tell me how to help. Were you thrown out of the car? What happened there?

00:51:02.750 –> 00:51:03.030
Yeah.

00:51:03.030 –> 00:51:03.310
Tell me.

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Did you fall? Did someone push you?

00:51:07.334 –> 00:51:08.014
What’s his name?

00:51:08.014 –> 00:51:08.915
What’s his name?

00:51:08.915 –> 00:51:10.015
Yeah, that would be it.

00:51:10.015 –> 00:51:13.979
I’ll find him, girl. Amanda would be like the girl in the bathroom at the club

00:51:13.979 –> 00:51:16.901
that would be like, why are you crying, sis? I got your back.

00:51:16.901 –> 00:51:20.804
Who do I need to hit? Yeah. You gotta find him. I will find him.

00:51:20.804 –> 00:51:22.125
And he will be sorry.

00:51:22.125 –> 00:51:23.606
She has a certain set of skills.

00:51:24.067 –> 00:51:29.130
It’s like, oh, 1,600? I’ll find his ancestors. Don’t worry. Absolutely. One of them has to suck.

00:51:29.130 –> 00:51:29.571
Yeah.

00:51:32.213 –> 00:51:36.416
So, okay, I love that story. I love that. And I think that was a perfect story

00:51:36.416 –> 00:51:40.539
to kick off our first episode. So.

00:51:40.539 –> 00:51:43.161
And also how awesome small towns are. Right?

00:51:43.161 –> 00:51:46.564
Yeah, they’re the best. And there’s so many creepy stories in small towns.

00:51:46.564 –> 00:51:51.928
And so this is just one of, we have three more episodes for you guys.

00:51:52.308 –> 00:51:53.869
Small towns with big stories.

00:51:53.869 –> 00:51:56.271
Yes, absolutely.

00:51:56.271 –> 00:52:01.895
I love that. So this week we covered the white lady and next week we are gonna

00:52:01.895 –> 00:52:05.678
be talking about probably my favorite thing to talk about, especially in the

00:52:05.678 –> 00:52:08.580
month of October, the witches of Sleepy Hollow.

00:52:08.580 –> 00:52:10.542
Yeah, and there are quite a few.

00:52:11.563 –> 00:52:17.948
Quite a few and we’re really excited for that one and the story is so crazy

00:52:17.948 –> 00:52:21.770
that we’re gonna tell you next week and just just to point out that was not

00:52:21.770 –> 00:52:22.971
our voice telling the story.

00:52:23.652 –> 00:52:29.056
So tune in next week and if you haven’t head over to our social media we are Folktown Podcast.

00:52:29.056 –> 00:52:32.337
We want to hear all of your creepy stories if you’ve ever been to Tarrytown

00:52:32.337 –> 00:52:35.799
or been in the cemetery or you have any theories about this we need to hear

00:52:35.799 –> 00:52:40.941
them we want to hear everything And maybe if you send us some good ones, we’ll read some on here.

00:52:40.941 –> 00:52:42.081
Ooh, I’d love that.

00:52:42.081 –> 00:52:42.221
Yes.

00:52:42.221 –> 00:52:45.802
Yeah, so we love ghost stories. So send us what you’ve got, people.

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We’ll see you guys next week. Bye.

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Cheers!