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Our tale begins in Charleston, South Carolina, just a few years before the ravages

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of the Civil War take hold.

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It was here that the young and lovely Anna Ravenel was born and raised.

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Anna was as sweet as she was beautiful.

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The daughter of the gentleman Edmund Ravenel, a doctor and a professor at the local college.

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Full of life, Anna was known to catch many a young man’s eye.

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Particularly, the sailors who

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passed through Fort Moultrie just outside of town. Anna was no siren all.

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As a member of Charleston’s high society, Anna knew she would be matched with

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a well-to-do suitor when the time came.

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But all that changed when she met Edgar.

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Edgar A. Perry was just 18 years old when he arrived at Fort Moultrie to begin

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his training as a sailor. When the two young lovers’ eyes met,

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they were instantly smitten.

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Anna was smart and cultured, and Edgar was earnest and kind.

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And the pair quickly began talking of marriage.

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But to their deep dismay, Anna’s father, Edmund, roundly forbade the match.

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His child was bright and educated with a promising future.

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What kind of life could a lowly sailor ever hope to provide?

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but their silly dalliance would need to end.

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But not even a father’s disapproval could keep the two apart.

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The pair began to meet in secret on the benches of Charleston’s Unitarian Church,

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pledging their undying loyalty.

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These clandestine meetings became the stuff of legend.

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Whispered in hushed tones around town, it didn’t take long for the whispers

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to reach a furious Edmund.

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who promptly locked Anna in her bedroom to make any future meetings with Edgar impossible.

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The poor boy was heartbroken and powerless. And eventually, he was transferred

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to Virginia, doomed never to see his beloved Anna again.

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Devastated and alone, Anna remained locked away for weeks until illness struck.

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Some say it was yellow fever. Others say it was heartbreak.

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But whatever the affliction, Anna survived but a few more days before succumbing to her symptoms.

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By the time word of her illness reached Edgar, Anna was already gone.

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Even after her death, the ever spiteful Edmund vowed never to let the sailor near Anna’s grave.

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He purchased not one, but six plots at the Unitarian Church graveyard where

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he buried Anna in an unmarked grave and had the five remaining plots dug and

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filled in just to conceal her true resting place.

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It’s said that, to this day, Anna herself can be seen roaming the graveyard at night.

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An ethereal specter in white. night, searching for her long-lost love.

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Hi guys, so this episode we’re going to be talking about some pretty dark topics

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and we do just want to go out there and say that we can’t talk about the city

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of Charleston without acknowledging the fact that this city was built upon slave

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trade and plantations and these

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stories are a very large part of Charleston’s dark past and founding.

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These stories deserve a lot more time and detail and attention

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than we’re able to do in an hour episode where we’re talking about things that

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are a little little bit lighter in nature so we do want to give these stories

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the time that they deserve so we will be giving you guys a bonus episode to

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discover and dive into the darker parts of charleston’s past and keep your eye

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out for that but without further ado this is our next episode,

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hey guys welcome back hi we’re back we’re back so this episode i mean another

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lady in white story Yeah. Another one.

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Excellent. I feel like there’s lady in whites everywhere. Everywhere.

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And Dale, don’t you have a nice, depressing story to kick us off?

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I do. We’ll just dive right in. This story is going to take place actually on

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the corner of Meeting and Broad Street.

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There sits a little church, St. Michael’s Church, and there is a ghost of a

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young woman who haunts this church.

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Some cool little tidbits about the church. St. Michael’s is one of the oldest

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churches in Charleston. It was built in 1761.

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And obviously with such an old church comes ghost stories.

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And the one that I’m going to tell you about is the story of Harriet Mackey.

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She was a 17-year-old girl who died in 1804, just before her wedding.

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So the story goes, I know she was there, she was and it just didn’t happen.

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So pretty much the morning starts out and Harriet is perfectly happy and healthy.

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She’s getting ready for her wedding day.

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Her gown and headdress were exquisite and she was super excited to get married.

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She loved the man. She was ready.

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And then suddenly she became extremely ill and died a few hours before her wedding.

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I’m sorry.

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I did not mean to laugh.

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You literally buried the lead there. I didn’t know that’s what I was like.

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I mean, like, and it’s plot twist.

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Yeah. And I think it happened so suddenly that, like, exactly your reaction

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was probably the reaction of anyone that was involved in this wedding.

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Was she like poisoned or something?

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So no one actually knows what happened for sure.

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Of course they don’t.

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However, a lot of like local chatter is that she was poisoned.

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And so there’s one man, his name was William Alston, and people believe that he had a motive.

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So what happened is Harriet’s father was a very wealthy man.

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He left a will giving everything he owned to Harriet, effective the day she

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married. Now, mind you, her father had already died and she couldn’t inherit

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anything until she was married.

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Typical. And so she obviously on her wedding day. Right.

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She would once she was married, legally married, then she would inherit all

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of what her father had left, which was a lot.

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Land, money. There was a lot.

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Cows.

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And so she, in the will as well, it was also specified that if Harriet,

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for some reason, died before she was married,

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everything would be left to Mr. H.

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Alston so this William Alston guy his two

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sons and he was

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also a very wealthy man and he dabbled in the

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slave trade which is you know like a whole other

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topic that we will dive into but he was not a nice man and he had two sons and

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they would inherit everything if Harriet had passed before she was married and

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so that’s kind of like a crazy like there’s never been anything proven They

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don’t actually know what happened to her.

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But she appears at this church.

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So the church role comes in a little bit later.

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So basically, Harriet, after she passed, Harriet was laid out on her bed in her wedding dress.

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So creepy.

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Super creepy. Apparently, this was like a common thing. Like mourners could come and visit the dead.

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If you spend all that money on a wedding dress, you better wear it.

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I mean, you’re not wrong.

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No, but this wasn’t even just for the wedding dress. It was just this is how

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people mourned dead people.

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By putting them in their best outfits?

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Exactly. And laid out for people to come and mourn them.

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So with that, another gentleman who had met Harriet a few months prior to her

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wedding or almost wedding had this kind of like a crazy little story sideline.

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He had written in his diary after meeting Harriet that she was the singular

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beauty and charm. Like, this is just words that he wrote in his little diary.

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A little creepy.

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About Harriet, right?

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A little creepy.

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Not the man that she was marrying, which is even weirder. She had admirers.

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Totally fine.

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Right. So then when he came to mourn her, he was disgusted by the fact that

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this, like, beautiful woman that he had met just a few months earlier was now laying,

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decomposing, I would assume, because it’s the South and it’s probably very hot.

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This is in her house, and this is super pleasant.

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So while he was there, he wrote in his diary, this man liked writing in his diary apparently,

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that after he saw her dead body, he wrote in his diary, but yesterday seems

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so lovely and so fair to view.

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Should today appear disgusting and become the object of our aversion?

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version. This is what he wrote in his little thing.

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So then to add to this quite interesting story, it was a custom for wealthy

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families to hire a painter to come and paint,

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the dead person. And they would while they’re dead.

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So they’re not painting in a live version. They’re painting the dead in the bed.

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The dead in the bed person. And so Harriet’s family commissioned a painter to paint a miniature.

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That was the other thing. It’s a miniature painting of the person.

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And it was said that the person who painted it, his name was P.R.

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Valley, and he He painted on a piece of ivory and he used watercolor and graphite

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pencil to paint this painting of her.

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And it was basically to like memorize, memorize, memorialize her life.

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Right. And it’s kind of a it this painting actually exists.

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You can see it. It’s it’s displayed at Yale University. and it’s a very common

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thing of that time, like these little mini portraits.

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And it’s kind of creepy, but also that’s, you know, her thing.

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They didn’t have photos, so I guess…

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Exactly, so they had to paint. So then it kind of goes on a little bit more.

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So the haunting aspect of this comes into, obviously, the church that she was

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going to be married in. She never was actually married.

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And so it’s said that Harriet’s ghost is seen wandering around inside the church. I do.

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People believe it’s because she still hasn’t realized that she’s dead and she

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hopes the wedding will go on.

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And then some people also believe that it’s perhaps her waiting for her fiance

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to join her to fulfill the promise of being together in the afterlife.

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That’s so depressing.

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And it’s so sad.

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It’s so sad.

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It reminds me again of our first season and the Lady in White in City Hollow

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because she was another one that was like waiting for her soldier to come back. Exactly.

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Exactly. It’s just like that like love lost.

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And isn’t there I mean so this episode we’re going to be talking a lot about

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the churches the graveyards some of the haunted homes and hotels and those kinds of things.

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But like you always hear the reason that ghosts are haunting places is because

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they can’t move on for whatever reason.

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they can’t move on and all of these stories are these poor people or pirates,

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can’t move on for whatever unfinished business remember

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this is so ridiculous and has nothing to do with this but remember Casper yeah

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the movie Casper yeah and how the dad talks about he’s got the ghosts have unfinished

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business and as a kid that’s what I was always thought like if I thought there

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was a ghost it’s like they have unfinished business talk about unfinished business

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I mean are you afraid of the dark taught me that too I was like Like.

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He’s got to get the boy’s sweater. He’s never going to cross over.

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He’s never going to cross over.

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Wait, there is a TV show called Ghost Whisperer. Do you remember that?

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Where she would help spirits cross over to see the light and they could cross.

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Charleston just needs some of that.

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Yeah, they just need a ghost whisperer to come in and help all these spirits

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that are just, like, stuck.

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And that’s like one of a, like, guys, there are so many cemeteries and churches.

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And Dina, if you want to tell us more about why there are so many cemeteries

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and churches or more like what that has to do with the city and what it’s known for.

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Yeah, Charleston.

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So that’s kind of the backstory that I’m still really digging into,

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because when Charleston was originally founded and you had said it in the first

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episode, it was Charlestown. Yeah.

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Right.

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Which I also was like, that’s clever. I like that. Good old Prince Charlie, right?

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And they actually originally settled by Cape Fear, which I’ve brought up to

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these guys like 17 times because I’m just like, did nobody think that that was a warning?

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Like not putting something next to this cape.

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If we’ve learned anything.

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People don’t listen to warnings. But ironically, they did wind up moving the

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province like over and closer to the water so that that way they could have

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this harbor and, you know, with the ports and things and whatnot.

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But they created so many churches in this area when they settled.

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I mean, I’m I’m on one website called LowCountryWalkingTours.com and there are

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13 churches listed here alone.

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Yeah. All different sects, all different types. And really just showing,

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again, that the melting pot that is Charleston as well. And you would think

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that that kind of would lend to an open-mindedness.

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However, not so much. But we’ll touch on that later.

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One of the churches that I thought was really interesting that kind of brought everything together.

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Full circle was the Circular Congregation Church, which not only being a gorgeous

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church, but it’s one of the oldest churches in Charleston.

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So weird.

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I don’t know. The church I just talked about was supposed to be the oldest church.

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I know. Bad. I’m in here. But it was formed back in 1681.

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And it was a it was a combination of English,

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Scott Presbyterian and French Huguenots and really just celebrated this religious

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freedom that they all felt they found here establishing this colony.

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And it just makes me really sad that it had it seems like it had such great intentions.

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Right. You know, that that this area would would be so welcoming and so diverse

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and and ahead of its time. Yeah. Essentially. Right.

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But based on the story that we just heard earlier, the church that I think always

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gets us, especially if you’re a English teacher,

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English fan, literature fan, whatever you want to say, is the Unitarian Church

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and its cemetery, which was built in 70, 72.

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and also one of the oldest Unitarian churches in the South.

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They really like that phrase.

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They sure do.

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And the second oldest church building in the city.

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Okay.

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Okay. So, but we heard these names in our story that the star-crossed lovers

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kind of fairy tale that has, you know, tracked through literature.

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Dad doesn’t like the guy. They marry in secret. And then all of a sudden things go downhill.

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Well, one of Charlton’s favorite myths would be that that man was not Edward,

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but actually was Edgar Allan Poe.

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I love this. And yeah, and as as a total book nerd.

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As we all are, you know, Edgar Allan Poe being one of my favorite books.

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uh literary figures ever because he’s just so dark and twisty and i love it

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i like you know that question if you could sit down with one person for dinner

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like who would it be i think i want it to be poe.

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I want it to be poe because for that reason also he was notoriously known to

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be drinking jack daniels which is one of my favorites.

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So and he had a pet raccoon i.

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Mean it’s all adding up it’s.

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Just all yeah sounds.

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Like a good time i just think he’d be a very interesting person to sit down

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with and and you could be stressy.

00:16:47.307 –> 00:16:49.147
And depressy with him and he’d He’d be all about it.

00:16:49.427 –> 00:16:52.987
I think he’d probably be turned on by it. Well, except, you know,

00:16:53.027 –> 00:16:55.547
like we’re too old for him. Just remember that.

00:16:55.667 –> 00:16:57.467
Yeah. Why don’t you tell us more about that, Dina? Yeah.

00:16:57.467 –> 00:17:03.167
So there is, again, no documentation that the man in this story is,

00:17:03.267 –> 00:17:04.567
in fact, Edgar Allan Poe.

00:17:04.707 –> 00:17:09.807
This is, again, all myths that Charlestonians have just deemed facts.

00:17:10.087 –> 00:17:13.187
And we all love the story. So we’re all encouraging it. We’re not trying to

00:17:13.187 –> 00:17:18.167
stop it. But allegedly, this is where the poem, which is my all time favorite

00:17:18.167 –> 00:17:20.627
poem of his, Annabelle Lee, stemmed from.

00:17:20.667 –> 00:17:23.267
So you have your lady in white theory.

00:17:23.407 –> 00:17:29.327
And at this Unitarian church, it is possible that they have their own lady in white.

00:17:29.387 –> 00:17:33.347
That is the actual Annabelle Lee that Edgar Allan Poe, he fell in love with.

00:17:33.527 –> 00:17:36.587
It was this very prominent family in Charleston.

00:17:36.967 –> 00:17:42.487
And again, dad, not a fan, not a fan of Poe. I mean, I think we can understand that.

00:17:42.567 –> 00:17:42.907
Yeah.

00:17:42.907 –> 00:17:46.847
I can see bringing him home being a little iffy.

00:17:47.287 –> 00:17:51.187
Well, and like a writer, you know, isn’t exactly a…

00:17:51.187 –> 00:17:55.727
Well, I don’t think he broadcast that. He actually lied about his age.

00:17:55.787 –> 00:18:01.307
He pretended he was 22 and he was in fact 18 so that he could get into the military, I believe.

00:18:01.467 –> 00:18:02.427
Into West Point, right?

00:18:02.567 –> 00:18:07.187
This was before West Point. Things were actually going fairly well for him at

00:18:07.187 –> 00:18:09.167
this point. And then West Point happened and that put a little kibosh on that.

00:18:09.167 –> 00:18:10.807
Besides dating 12-year-old girls?

00:18:11.385 –> 00:18:12.045
14.

00:18:12.425 –> 00:18:13.565
Oh, I’m sorry. Okay.

00:18:13.865 –> 00:18:14.345
14.

00:18:14.365 –> 00:18:14.545
Sorry.

00:18:14.585 –> 00:18:19.985
Yeah. We know that his wife, Virginia, was significantly younger than him.

00:18:20.265 –> 00:18:26.965
This is another story about allegedly him being 18. She was 14. Her name was Anna.

00:18:27.785 –> 00:18:32.385
And dad didn’t like it. Tried to lock her in a room to keep them away from each other.

00:18:32.705 –> 00:18:37.705
And wouldn’t you know it? A mosquito happened to get locked in that room with

00:18:37.705 –> 00:18:41.445
her. she wound up dying from yellow fever a few days later.

00:18:41.805 –> 00:18:42.305
Goodness.

00:18:43.085 –> 00:18:46.565
That’s wild. That is a rough, rough batch of luck there.

00:18:47.065 –> 00:18:52.945
But instead of allowing Edgar to mourn and everybody be able to visit a grave

00:18:52.945 –> 00:18:56.965
in this cemetery of the Unitarian Church, the father-to-be, Mr.

00:18:57.145 –> 00:19:02.845
Petty, dug six different graves and left them all unmarked.

00:19:02.885 –> 00:19:07.965
So that way he would never be able to know which one was actually her true burial ground.

00:19:08.065 –> 00:19:11.285
I mean, that’s dedication on the father’s end.

00:19:11.465 –> 00:19:16.245
Like, how much did he hate this man that he would do that with his daughter

00:19:16.245 –> 00:19:18.525
being dead? Like, that’s…

00:19:18.525 –> 00:19:19.545
It’s messed up.

00:19:19.585 –> 00:19:19.985
Cruel.

00:19:20.185 –> 00:19:23.945
Okay, because she was 14 at the time, and this is post-West Point?

00:19:24.685 –> 00:19:26.045
Pre. Pre-West Point.

00:19:26.185 –> 00:19:29.565
Oh, he’s down here pre-West Point. Yeah, I believe so. So then it’s not…

00:19:29.565 –> 00:19:34.425
For the time, it sounds creepy, but for the time, if you were 18, 14…

00:19:34.425 –> 00:19:37.785
I mean they were only living to like I was just gonna say and that’s the thing

00:19:37.785 –> 00:19:41.805
is like these people weren’t living past you know a certain age so like that

00:19:41.805 –> 00:19:47.325
was not a crazy I’m reserving judgment then I’m bringing it back for now it’s

00:19:47.325 –> 00:19:51.865
cringe for this generation but obviously back in the day it’s cringe.

00:19:53.509 –> 00:19:58.829
I mean, but this is pre-West Point because he was in West Point in 1830.

00:19:58.949 –> 00:20:00.209
I had to make sure I confirmed that.

00:20:00.429 –> 00:20:03.449
But I mean, wouldn’t you want your daughter to date someone,

00:20:03.569 –> 00:20:07.329
you know, all dressed in his finest garbs like he’s serving his country?

00:20:08.549 –> 00:20:09.709
Civil war is approaching.

00:20:09.949 –> 00:20:12.229
I don’t know. We just talked about how stressy and depressy he was.

00:20:12.369 –> 00:20:16.489
Maybe the stressy, depressy stuff happened after she passed because he was so

00:20:16.489 –> 00:20:19.069
forlorn and heartbroken about losing her.

00:20:19.129 –> 00:20:22.289
I mean, look at the lyrics, the lines in Annabelle Lee.

00:20:22.289 –> 00:20:26.669
Many people say it really is about Virginia, but the fact that he also lived

00:20:26.669 –> 00:20:31.849
in Sullivan’s Island for a stint and he used that as a setting for the gold bug,

00:20:32.009 –> 00:20:37.549
you know, people want to tie Annabelle Lee to the Charleston coast and that

00:20:37.549 –> 00:20:39.049
area and so on and so forth.

00:20:39.149 –> 00:20:43.669
But I mean, that would be wild. I have actually stood my my ghost tour that

00:20:43.669 –> 00:20:44.649
I took when I was down there.

00:20:44.749 –> 00:20:48.569
That was our last stop. We weren’t allowed in. in um i don’t know if it was

00:20:48.569 –> 00:20:53.349
because it was at night yeah but uh we stood at the entrance of the of the cemetery

00:20:53.349 –> 00:20:56.349
plot and like you could look in and not for nothing you could look in but it

00:20:56.349 –> 00:20:58.729
was like pitch black you couldn’t see anything i was like that’s cool i could

00:20:58.729 –> 00:21:02.789
stay over there i’m good at the the gate right here yeah you know but and.

00:21:02.789 –> 00:21:04.189
This from what.

00:21:04.189 –> 00:21:04.889
I’ve learned.

00:21:04.889 –> 00:21:07.849
There’s so many churches in charleston right.

00:21:07.849 –> 00:21:12.669
It’s ridiculous and um that is one of the reasons why they refer to it as the holy city.

00:21:12.829 –> 00:21:17.689
Yeah. You can’t like turn a block without bumping into multiple churches on every corner.

00:21:17.769 –> 00:21:20.169
I wish I knew more about architecture because they really are.

00:21:20.229 –> 00:21:20.869
Some of them are gorgeous.

00:21:20.969 –> 00:21:21.989
Yeah. Yeah.

00:21:22.660 –> 00:21:27.140
I mean, I feel like you’re always going to have a haunting story in a cemetery, right?

00:21:27.200 –> 00:21:29.780
Yeah, because it’s dead bodies buried below.

00:21:29.820 –> 00:21:34.560
We even have the St. Philip’s Graveyard, which, again, on many of those ghost

00:21:34.560 –> 00:21:39.300
tours, they’ll take you through that area because there’s supposedly an apparition

00:21:39.300 –> 00:21:44.460
said to haunt pregnant women and women who have had miscarriages who pass by.

00:21:45.460 –> 00:21:47.940
Fantastic. But I see a trend.

00:21:48.120 –> 00:21:50.060
Yeah. yeah right these poor poor.

00:21:50.060 –> 00:21:55.780
Women yeah and there are horrible stories keeping them kind of um tied yeah

00:21:55.780 –> 00:21:58.100
i was gonna say chained and that’s even worse i mean.

00:21:58.100 –> 00:22:05.680
That’s even darker and worse yeah well i mean i don’t know i feel like if if

00:22:05.680 –> 00:22:07.300
you’re going into a cemetery at night,

00:22:08.220 –> 00:22:14.380
it’s going to feel haunted yeah but also like there’s something about churches that to me

00:22:14.580 –> 00:22:19.380
they’re always so beautiful to go into but you cannot deny that when you go

00:22:19.380 –> 00:22:24.740
into a church or you do a tour inside of a church especially churches this old

00:22:24.740 –> 00:22:29.700
um there is a feeling you know like that we had talked about in the last episode

00:22:29.700 –> 00:22:33.440
there’s a feeling right like a dark harboring feeling i.

00:22:33.440 –> 00:22:37.820
Think that’s what i mean clearly i give cemetery tours i enjoy being in the

00:22:37.820 –> 00:22:41.680
cemetery I haven’t done a night tour yet. I’ve only gone on them.

00:22:41.820 –> 00:22:45.780
But it’s a different vibe. You know, I love being there during the day.

00:22:45.860 –> 00:22:48.920
And some people find that so weird. But I find, first off, it’s quiet.

00:22:49.160 –> 00:22:49.600
Yeah.

00:22:49.700 –> 00:22:53.240
Which is lovely. It’s so peaceful. And like, not for nothing,

00:22:53.340 –> 00:22:59.060
a lot of them have wonderful views, you know, because they pick these plots on purpose.

00:22:59.760 –> 00:23:02.720
And when we’re talking about the St.

00:23:03.460 –> 00:23:06.440
Phillips one, I showed you guys the picture of…

00:23:07.278 –> 00:23:11.978
the ghost that’s allegedly her name is sue howard and it it’s someone who took

00:23:11.978 –> 00:23:18.098
this picture that says this is the ghost like over over the grave yeah we have to.

00:23:18.098 –> 00:23:18.978
Put that up because.

00:23:18.978 –> 00:23:19.478
It looks.

00:23:20.158 –> 00:23:23.238
It’s you know like you always see these pictures and people are going to debunk

00:23:23.238 –> 00:23:27.818
all these pictures that one’s been that one’s wild it is and.

00:23:27.818 –> 00:23:32.478
They say um that a lot of the people that go on these tours especially with

00:23:32.478 –> 00:23:37.038
this spirit um there have been numerous reports of pregnant women having problems

00:23:37.038 –> 00:23:41.298
after either seeing the photographs or handling the photograph.

00:23:41.658 –> 00:23:48.138
Some have felt as though they were choking and others felt sick to their stomachs with day out.

00:23:48.138 –> 00:23:51.658
Day out validation. Yeah. Your spooky story earlier.

00:23:51.758 –> 00:23:55.378
Well, it’s kind of crazy too, to think about this. I mean, this goes off a little

00:23:55.378 –> 00:23:59.918
bit about what we’re talking about now, but later on in future episodes,

00:24:00.658 –> 00:24:05.858
like there were, you know, doctors who would hex people.

00:24:05.858 –> 00:24:10.398
And I wonder if there’s some level of hexing going on there,

00:24:10.478 –> 00:24:16.598
because for sure, I feel like you need to have some kind of physical thing to hold on to, to hex.

00:24:16.738 –> 00:24:22.498
Right. So if it’s a photograph, right. Like and by a pregnant woman touching

00:24:22.498 –> 00:24:25.898
that photograph, whatever that hex was.

00:24:26.868 –> 00:24:27.608
I don’t know.

00:24:27.708 –> 00:24:28.288
Oh, dang.

00:24:28.308 –> 00:24:29.428
Somebody write that story.

00:24:30.248 –> 00:24:31.828
You know what’s ironic.

00:24:32.188 –> 00:24:35.928
Though? The St. Phillips Church, they put a sign out front that says,

00:24:35.948 –> 00:24:38.208
the only ghost at St. Phillips is the Holy Ghost.

00:24:38.448 –> 00:24:38.848
Yeah.

00:24:38.988 –> 00:24:39.728
Oh, yeah.

00:24:39.748 –> 00:24:40.348
They don’t like it.

00:24:40.388 –> 00:24:40.608
I guess.

00:24:40.668 –> 00:24:40.988
They don’t like it.

00:24:40.988 –> 00:24:43.168
Join us for Worship Sundays. I’m like, okay.

00:24:43.328 –> 00:24:44.008
Hard pass.

00:24:45.088 –> 00:24:45.508
That’s it.

00:24:46.008 –> 00:24:50.528
The Holy Ghost is the Holy Ghost. Love that. I mean, great marketing.

00:24:50.868 –> 00:24:51.268
Fantastic.

00:24:51.828 –> 00:24:53.108
Put that on a t-shirt.

00:24:53.208 –> 00:24:55.428
Well, and I think a lot of the churches, again, Again, because you’re in an

00:24:55.428 –> 00:24:59.028
area that is known for haunted tours and all this stuff.

00:24:59.128 –> 00:25:05.088
I don’t remember seeing any churches that welcomed you into the church through

00:25:05.088 –> 00:25:07.428
the tour or with the tour or anything like that.

00:25:07.548 –> 00:25:12.408
You walked past most of them. And I feel like there’s probably a reason for

00:25:12.408 –> 00:25:16.328
that because these churches are still operating today or most of them are.

00:25:16.328 –> 00:25:24.408
And so, like, obviously having these, like, spooky haunting tours going through might not drive.

00:25:24.748 –> 00:25:28.488
That might also have something to do with the difference between a graveyard and a cemetery.

00:25:28.708 –> 00:25:29.128
Yes.

00:25:29.308 –> 00:25:29.788
Right.

00:25:29.848 –> 00:25:34.268
A lot of people don’t know that a graveyard has to be connected to a church.

00:25:34.288 –> 00:25:36.228
You are a member of that congregation.

00:25:36.508 –> 00:25:39.788
Right. And then a cemetery, like Sleepy Hollow Cemetery, right,

00:25:39.868 –> 00:25:41.228
is non-denominational. Right.

00:25:41.508 –> 00:25:41.988
Anyone.

00:25:41.988 –> 00:25:42.828
Any and all are welcome.

00:25:42.968 –> 00:25:43.188
Yeah.

00:25:43.188 –> 00:25:49.308
So you can just walk through because you’re not going to disrupt services or anything like that.

00:25:49.368 –> 00:25:52.788
But you know how graveyards that are connected to a church tend to be smaller.

00:25:53.148 –> 00:25:57.368
They’re like the parishioners. In this example, Sue Howard was a parishioner.

00:25:58.388 –> 00:26:03.028
That’s fair. Yeah, I can totally respect tourists for not actually like trampling through.

00:26:03.328 –> 00:26:04.308
Oh, 100%. Absolutely.

00:26:04.388 –> 00:26:09.368
You’d be surprised with how disrespectful people can be without even realizing they are.

00:26:09.368 –> 00:26:12.208
Exactly. It’s not an intentional disrespect, I think, sometimes,

00:26:12.488 –> 00:26:17.088
especially if you’re doing multiple tours in a day, in a week,

00:26:17.108 –> 00:26:18.888
in a month, all summer long.

00:26:19.168 –> 00:26:23.188
Like, I can imagine. And these, you know, obviously every building we’ve talked

00:26:23.188 –> 00:26:26.148
about so far has said, like, oh, it’s the oldest in blah, blah, blah.

00:26:26.228 –> 00:26:32.348
But I’m sure that plays a toll in, like, keeping these places pristine is not

00:26:32.348 –> 00:26:36.228
allowing people to just walk through, you know, every day, all day.

00:26:36.308 –> 00:26:38.928
I also make sure when I go in, I’m like, good morning, everyone.

00:26:38.928 –> 00:26:41.168
everyone yeah i’m like i’m here.

00:26:41.168 –> 00:26:44.508
In peace yeah exactly we are friends they know i’m just.

00:26:44.508 –> 00:26:48.908
Telling your story i’m here for the with the best intentions yeah.

00:26:48.908 –> 00:26:54.968
So i have a little bit of a different story i’m going down.

00:26:54.968 –> 00:26:55.868
A different path.

00:26:55.868 –> 00:26:58.428
We’re going down a little bit of different path so i’m going to be talking about

00:26:58.428 –> 00:27:04.648
the mills house which is the wyndham grand aka the pink hotel which was stunning

00:27:04.648 –> 00:27:06.988
it’s beautiful i’ve never seen it i don’t think.

00:27:06.988 –> 00:27:08.068
I have either i’m gonna look it It.

00:27:08.068 –> 00:27:12.168
Was built in 1853, and the builder was a local grain merchant,

00:27:12.408 –> 00:27:15.788
Otis Mills. And there’s a lot, you know…

00:27:16.618 –> 00:27:18.898
okay it is gorgina stunning i.

00:27:18.898 –> 00:27:21.698
Have several photos by that because it’s so pretty and.

00:27:21.698 –> 00:27:24.698
There’s a really good coffee shop unfortunately not the hotel we’re

00:27:24.698 –> 00:27:27.638
going to be talking about uh because that thing burnt

00:27:27.638 –> 00:27:30.378
to the ground yeah but the story of

00:27:30.378 –> 00:27:33.638
the great fire of charleston if you’re doing any looking into

00:27:33.638 –> 00:27:36.418
charleston um a lot of these hauntings have to do with the

00:27:36.418 –> 00:27:40.838
haunting and fire of the of charleston which happened in 1861

00:27:40.838 –> 00:27:43.598
on december 11th which is wild because we live

00:27:43.598 –> 00:27:46.838
in the northeast so we automatically think december 11th oh it was snowing no

00:27:46.838 –> 00:27:51.178
down there the cold front coming from probably the northeast was bearing super

00:27:51.178 –> 00:27:56.418
super high winds and a fire started near the intersection of east bay and hassle

00:27:56.418 –> 00:28:01.318
street where harris teeter is now located i don’t know what that is but that was fun to say it’s.

00:28:01.318 –> 00:28:01.918
A grocery store.

00:28:01.918 –> 00:28:05.518
That is not real yes harris teeter harris.

00:28:05.518 –> 00:28:07.278
Teeter is a grocery store yeah.

00:28:07.278 –> 00:28:12.158
Oh okay well that is where the fire started i thought.

00:28:12.158 –> 00:28:15.238
You were making that up I was like how did she know about that I.

00:28:15.238 –> 00:28:19.478
Don’t know shit guys uh so the great fire of Charleston it burned so much of

00:28:19.478 –> 00:28:26.758
the city it burned over 540 acres 575 homes a crap ton of businesses in five

00:28:26.758 –> 00:28:31.418
churches one of them of course was included in this was this hotel,

00:28:32.681 –> 00:28:35.981
The kind of claim to fame is General Robert E.

00:28:36.001 –> 00:28:41.281
Lee was staying at Mills House Hotel with some of his soldiers and staff because

00:28:41.281 –> 00:28:46.821
he was looking into the port and trying to see the harbor and how the defenses would work in war.

00:28:47.201 –> 00:28:53.381
So he checked in and while he was there, the fire erupted and he and some of

00:28:53.381 –> 00:28:56.821
the soldiers went to the rooftop to see how far the fire was coming from and

00:28:56.821 –> 00:28:57.741
where was it coming from,

00:28:57.841 –> 00:29:03.481
which is like kind of pretty lucky for all the people there because you’ve got. a decorated general.

00:29:04.061 –> 00:29:06.921
Holy shit, Santa Claus shit. She just showed us how far the fire went.

00:29:07.041 –> 00:29:08.841
Like, basically half the city is gone.

00:29:08.961 –> 00:29:12.521
It almost reminds me of a scene from Gone with the Wind. Even though I know

00:29:12.521 –> 00:29:14.981
that was Georgia. But, like, remember the fire?

00:29:15.221 –> 00:29:18.821
I wonder if… No, because it was written, like, way before.

00:29:19.061 –> 00:29:21.181
No, it was written after. I don’t know. I’m going to have to look into that.

00:29:21.581 –> 00:29:22.541
That’s for the next…

00:29:22.541 –> 00:29:27.581
Fires were, I think, just, like, a big thing because there’s so many buildings made out of…

00:29:28.041 –> 00:29:32.841
Wait, wait, wait. You mean You mean the Friendly Fire Brigade? What were they called?

00:29:33.341 –> 00:29:38.461
Oh, yeah. When I’m done, you have to say that. So this was a lot of Confederate

00:29:38.461 –> 00:29:41.441
soldiers were staying there at the time with General Ely.

00:29:41.861 –> 00:29:47.161
He saw this happening and he also saw in the hotel were a lot of women and young children.

00:29:48.681 –> 00:29:52.901
So he worked helping get these women and young children out,

00:29:53.001 –> 00:29:55.761
like trying to get them out and away from the fire because they went up to the

00:29:55.761 –> 00:29:57.061
roof to see where the fire was coming from.

00:29:57.201 –> 00:30:00.541
So they’re trying to get them out. and he sent his soldiers which is

00:30:00.541 –> 00:30:03.501
just like the most wild thing to think to get buckets of

00:30:03.501 –> 00:30:06.401
water and run them down to the fire i can’t imagine it

00:30:06.401 –> 00:30:09.601
probably did nothing get a bucket of water of course it did nothing every roof

00:30:09.601 –> 00:30:12.381
probably back then there were so many things made of straw that

00:30:12.381 –> 00:30:16.741
were thatched and like everything was flammable yeah everything was flammable

00:30:16.741 –> 00:30:22.621
and wood yeah so of course you know he took one lady and her baby and another

00:30:22.621 –> 00:30:28.221
officer took another baby and so So they would wrap the babies in wet blankets

00:30:28.221 –> 00:30:31.001
and push them through the smoke and push them out.

00:30:31.061 –> 00:30:33.941
So he kind of is well known for what he did,

00:30:34.623 –> 00:30:40.503
helping through the fire and i mean it was 150 years ago so that was not a great

00:30:40.503 –> 00:30:44.923
time but this is kind of considered more current to the stories we’re talking

00:30:44.923 –> 00:30:51.203
about because this was 1861 one of my favorite haunting stories is a lot of

00:30:51.203 –> 00:30:54.563
the staff says that they see soldiers.

00:30:56.163 –> 00:31:01.343
Like confederate soldiers in uniform with buckets of run water running they

00:31:01.343 –> 00:31:03.283
hear running on the The floors.

00:31:03.543 –> 00:31:06.423
Yeah. Even since they’ve rebuilt it, because obviously we had to rebuild it.

00:31:06.483 –> 00:31:12.523
But they see soldiers in uniform with buckets of water yelling for water, water, water.

00:31:12.743 –> 00:31:19.343
More water! More water! More water! Please help me. Please. My baby.

00:31:22.103 –> 00:31:26.423
And this is actually really sad. So obviously they weren’t able to get everybody out.

00:31:26.423 –> 00:31:30.743
but there was a lot of they see a lot of women carrying babies screaming for help,

00:31:31.543 –> 00:31:34.143
as ghosts and apparitions one of the

00:31:34.143 –> 00:31:37.063
most popular is there’s a woman in a 19th century

00:31:37.063 –> 00:31:41.843
dress holding a baby she’s in a window and people walk by and they see this

00:31:41.843 –> 00:31:46.823
woman holding the baby screaming for help and yelling you know there’s a fire

00:31:46.823 –> 00:31:51.523
water water and then the other of course is they see this one like makes me

00:31:51.523 –> 00:31:56.603
laugh like robert e lee did not die here okay he went on to do many things,

00:31:57.123 –> 00:32:01.103
but everyone says they see the ghost of robert e lee running up and down no

00:32:01.103 –> 00:32:05.283
you don’t yeah yeah if you’re seeing a go i can totally get there’s some because

00:32:05.283 –> 00:32:08.423
what happens in these fires is people die of smoke inhalation yeah right so

00:32:08.423 –> 00:32:11.883
a lot of soldiers that were in there died of smoke inhalation because they were

00:32:11.883 –> 00:32:16.683
too busy saving people and i mean this is obviously uh you know,

00:32:17.949 –> 00:32:20.309
more fun to see robert e lee it’s.

00:32:20.309 –> 00:32:23.609
Funny the story that you just said of the woman in the in the.

00:32:23.609 –> 00:32:24.209
Baby in the.

00:32:24.209 –> 00:32:27.269
Window they do that on the at least the tour that we did.

00:32:27.269 –> 00:32:29.129
Um as you’re going around the.

00:32:29.129 –> 00:32:32.129
Corner of the of the mill house they point

00:32:32.129 –> 00:32:37.189
up to a window and say like that’s the window that is said to like if you see

00:32:37.189 –> 00:32:41.129
her that’s the window she’ll be and people have mentioned like there’s there’s

00:32:41.129 –> 00:32:45.209
a set of stairs that go up to like that floor whatever people will go up the

00:32:45.209 –> 00:32:49.289
stairs just to find the woman because they’ll see the woman on the outside go

00:32:49.289 –> 00:32:51.729
up the stairs and no one’s in the room.

00:32:51.729 –> 00:32:53.809
They come back they come back down.

00:32:53.809 –> 00:32:58.069
The stairs back out around to the side of the building and she’s in the window again.

00:32:58.069 –> 00:33:00.829
And so I loved that just.

00:33:00.829 –> 00:33:02.049
Hearing that I was like oh my gosh this.

00:33:02.049 –> 00:33:05.649
Was like a very popular place for presidents to stay because president Theodore

00:33:05.649 –> 00:33:10.709
Roosevelt he stayed there in 1902 and this hotel even after the fire it was

00:33:10.709 –> 00:33:15.189
demolished and then re-replicated in 1968 so even though it looks gorgeous now

00:33:15.189 –> 00:33:17.609
it does it is based on what it looked like then don’t.

00:33:17.609 –> 00:33:19.729
You think it has such a new orleans vibe to it as.

00:33:19.729 –> 00:33:21.449
Well absolutely yeah i think it.

00:33:21.449 –> 00:33:26.289
Has that like french quarter kind of and i don’t know the architectural terminology

00:33:26.289 –> 00:33:29.849
for for how they design these buildings but when i saw that picture the first

00:33:29.849 –> 00:33:32.309
time i was like that reminds me of the french quarter yeah.

00:33:32.309 –> 00:33:35.989
Well what are the reasons those huguenots same

00:33:35.989 –> 00:33:38.969
huguenots one of the reasons they think the confederate soldiers are

00:33:38.969 –> 00:33:44.669
so lost is the hotel was five stories lost but they also lost but the hotel

00:33:44.669 –> 00:33:50.129
was five stories high and they added a sixth and seventh well that too they

00:33:50.129 –> 00:33:54.209
they added a sixth and seventh floor and so if they’re on the sixth and seventh

00:33:54.209 –> 00:33:57.149
floor they just don’t know where they are i mean there’s.

00:33:57.149 –> 00:33:57.489
A there’s a.

00:33:57.489 –> 00:34:03.889
Lot of stuff like that stairs you know they’ve been on stairs before have they well we hope you.

00:34:03.889 –> 00:34:04.789
Know maybe it’s just like.

00:34:04.789 –> 00:34:07.669
How old were these soldiers they probably were like 15.

00:34:07.669 –> 00:34:10.429
They’re babies you know yeah they were a little bit and

00:34:10.429 –> 00:34:13.869
i mean here’s the thing this fire

00:34:13.869 –> 00:34:21.509
it burned so much of the city yeah if you look at pictures in 1865 there’s a

00:34:21.509 –> 00:34:26.809
really famous picture of what the what the city looked like after the fire and

00:34:26.809 –> 00:34:33.029
it is like decimated burned to the ground yeah nothing yeah like what you see in these what we

00:34:33.049 –> 00:34:36.949
would now associate with these wildfires that we’re seeing in California just

00:34:36.949 –> 00:34:41.309
rips through the town very quickly because of the winds and you’re not gonna

00:34:41.309 –> 00:34:46.329
not have hauntings when a whole city not everybody could get out I mean it’s

00:34:46.329 –> 00:34:48.389
also a port town where are they gonna go exactly.

00:34:48.389 –> 00:34:55.169
I was gonna say a lot of the tour that I went on a lot of the stories were based around the.

00:34:55.169 –> 00:34:56.869
Fires and how like.

00:34:56.869 –> 00:35:01.269
Buildings were just completely destroyed and everyone inside died and like Like,

00:35:01.269 –> 00:35:04.769
now all of these hauntings happen because they’ve been since rebuilt.

00:35:04.769 –> 00:35:05.949
This was not the first fire.

00:35:06.129 –> 00:35:10.929
Right? And you have these ghosts that are haunting these areas because they

00:35:10.929 –> 00:35:14.969
were obviously in these houses and buildings and businesses that burned down.

00:35:15.069 –> 00:35:17.129
And now they’re just there.

00:35:30.167 –> 00:35:34.047
And similar to New Orleans, too, it’s just they were in such a horrible area

00:35:34.047 –> 00:35:36.507
in terms of natural disasters. Yeah.

00:35:36.507 –> 00:35:36.767
Right.

00:35:36.987 –> 00:35:44.347
Hurricanes, tornadoes. You have earthquakes. Yeah. And fire without being able to escape.

00:35:44.467 –> 00:35:46.127
Yeah. You’re on the water.

00:35:46.167 –> 00:35:48.067
They had no way of putting them out quick enough.

00:35:48.147 –> 00:35:51.107
But they did have the fire insurance company.

00:35:51.307 –> 00:35:52.527
Please tell us about this.

00:35:52.567 –> 00:35:53.107
This is fantastic.

00:35:53.527 –> 00:35:55.327
I want to know. It did go bankrupt.

00:35:55.827 –> 00:35:57.127
I can’t imagine why.

00:35:57.307 –> 00:36:01.427
I wonder why. It was a step. This is the fun fact, okay? 1735,

00:36:01.707 –> 00:36:03.307
fire insurance company opens.

00:36:03.747 –> 00:36:11.127
Under the name, the Friendly Society for the Mutual Insuring of Houses Against Fire.

00:36:11.347 –> 00:36:13.867
Well, I’m so glad the houses have banded together.

00:36:14.127 –> 00:36:14.387
Yes.

00:36:14.427 –> 00:36:18.567
And guess what? Didn’t work because- It went bankrupt in five years.

00:36:18.687 –> 00:36:18.947
Okay, yeah.

00:36:18.947 –> 00:36:21.367
Because 1861, it did not happen.

00:36:21.487 –> 00:36:26.227
It was not there for them. But, you know, they tried. And I just really enjoy that name.

00:36:26.347 –> 00:36:26.767
That’s fantastic.

00:36:26.767 –> 00:36:27.527
The Friendly Society.

00:36:27.527 –> 00:36:30.067
I mean, I feel like the name was the focus.

00:36:31.047 –> 00:36:38.087
They’re like, there will be no business conducted here, but we are getting shirts. Who wants a pen?

00:36:38.227 –> 00:36:41.007
And a sign. They probably had a real nice sign.

00:36:41.007 –> 00:36:41.887
Hand-painted sign.

00:36:42.127 –> 00:36:42.367
Yeah.

00:36:42.767 –> 00:36:44.067
That is hysterical.

00:36:44.067 –> 00:36:45.147
That’s an incredible thing.

00:36:45.407 –> 00:36:50.827
There was the other N we were talking about, too. I mean, so it’s just kind of making me think that.

00:36:51.987 –> 00:36:55.867
I was only in Charleston for a long week and I went, my birthday is Labor Day.

00:36:56.087 –> 00:36:58.747
So we went till that Monday and there was actually a hurricane.

00:36:58.887 –> 00:37:04.107
We wound up having to leave the Monday, which we were leaving anyway. So it was fine.

00:37:04.347 –> 00:37:08.287
But it’s really making me realize like how much there that I didn’t see.

00:37:08.467 –> 00:37:08.867
Yeah.

00:37:08.927 –> 00:37:13.487
And I thought I really did. You know, like there are a million ghost tours down

00:37:13.487 –> 00:37:17.907
there or historic tours or whatever you want to do, but they really cover a lot.

00:37:18.027 –> 00:37:20.247
So I felt like I did a ghost tour.

00:37:20.367 –> 00:37:20.627
Yeah.

00:37:20.627 –> 00:37:24.607
I didn’t do one that was historically based. I was pleasantly surprised by the

00:37:24.607 –> 00:37:26.967
Poe connection at the end. I did not see that coming.

00:37:27.167 –> 00:37:32.407
But this Battery Carriage House Inn, which is another one that looks very similar to your…

00:37:32.407 –> 00:37:32.847
Mills House?

00:37:33.207 –> 00:37:36.907
To the Mills House, yeah. That pinkish color, which I’m starting to think like Bermuda Stone.

00:37:37.407 –> 00:37:37.667
It’s the Bermuda Stone.

00:37:38.047 –> 00:37:38.187
What is the pink?

00:37:38.347 –> 00:37:39.347
The Bermuda Stone.

00:37:39.547 –> 00:37:43.047
Yeah, and it’s like a stone that was brought from the West Indies,

00:37:43.047 –> 00:37:44.247
and they brought it over.

00:37:44.667 –> 00:37:45.387
So it’s not paint?

00:37:45.647 –> 00:37:49.247
No. Correction. the buildings

00:37:49.247 –> 00:37:52.407
now have been refinished so like

00:37:52.407 –> 00:37:55.327
the Bermuda stone is underneath what has

00:37:55.327 –> 00:37:58.807
been put on the houses so like the houses that you see now the buildings all

00:37:58.807 –> 00:38:04.147
of them that are pink that’s pink stucco like stucco and then painted but the

00:38:04.147 –> 00:38:10.367
actual original buildings had pink hue because of this stone which is kind of

00:38:10.367 –> 00:38:14.247
like you know that’s incredible I want it so that’s.

00:38:14.247 –> 00:38:15.127
Like Barbie’s dream town.

00:38:15.787 –> 00:38:17.047
It’s yeah Yeah.

00:38:17.567 –> 00:38:18.027
Barbieland.

00:38:18.067 –> 00:38:21.087
So dark, though. I don’t think this is real Barbie.

00:38:21.187 –> 00:38:26.447
Well, but the houses are. Like, I think that’s what’s so crazy is when you go to this area,

00:38:26.747 –> 00:38:30.967
right, you go into the town and you start walking around and these houses are

00:38:30.967 –> 00:38:36.867
so pretty and like perfectly manicured pink houses, purple houses,

00:38:37.027 –> 00:38:38.647
blue houses, yellow, you name it.

00:38:38.827 –> 00:38:40.987
They’re all different. And they’re stunning. Yeah.

00:38:41.862 –> 00:38:44.882
absolutely stunning and so oh

00:38:44.882 –> 00:38:48.122
yeah like good lord there’s a lot of pride i think without

00:38:48.122 –> 00:38:51.002
a doubt and like obviously there’s a lot of money

00:38:51.002 –> 00:38:54.502
as well like there’s full-on blocks that

00:38:54.502 –> 00:39:00.082
are just all designer stores yeah and like you know clearly there’s a lot of

00:39:00.082 –> 00:39:06.182
money being tossed around put in these houses and like the houses that were

00:39:06.182 –> 00:39:11.982
super run down and like falling apart and decrepit have been purchased and now are stunning.

00:39:12.202 –> 00:39:17.462
Like kind of with the pink house, that house went through a lot of owners and

00:39:17.462 –> 00:39:19.782
then a wealthy family purchased it.

00:39:19.862 –> 00:39:22.162
And now it’s a private residence.

00:39:22.242 –> 00:39:25.942
Like you can’t go anymore to the inside or whatever.

00:39:26.142 –> 00:39:29.902
And I think that’s also how these legends kind of, I don’t want to say spiral

00:39:29.902 –> 00:39:33.522
out of control, but become so mainstream, right?

00:39:33.662 –> 00:39:38.102
Because we’ve said multiple times, like there’s no documentation of any of this.

00:39:38.102 –> 00:39:43.522
It even even newspapers weren’t around to report on a lot of the things that

00:39:43.522 –> 00:39:44.582
happened in Charleston.

00:39:44.602 –> 00:39:46.942
I don’t remember off the top of my head when the first one was established,

00:39:47.062 –> 00:39:51.122
but I remember reading that they were like, a lot of this stuff is just,

00:39:51.142 –> 00:39:53.822
you know, oral tradition passed down. Right.

00:39:53.922 –> 00:39:56.182
And we all know, like you said, how the game telephone can work.

00:39:56.242 –> 00:39:56.482
Yeah.

00:39:56.582 –> 00:40:02.102
So then we get to the point that they want that tourism business.

00:40:02.182 –> 00:40:05.382
They want to, like, thrive when, you know, have their economy boom,

00:40:05.562 –> 00:40:10.022
things like that. and here we go let’s let’s tell some really cool stories about it.

00:40:10.022 –> 00:40:14.962
So one thing that you know again we we had mentioned in the beginning of this

00:40:14.962 –> 00:40:19.222
episode about the the darkness behind charleston is something we’re going to

00:40:19.222 –> 00:40:25.002
talk about later but i feel like in the last 10 years or so,

00:40:26.002 –> 00:40:29.502
this all of these things you know the hotels we’ve talked about the churches

00:40:29.502 –> 00:40:33.762
the graveyards it has become such mainstream tourism like i have friends that

00:40:33.762 –> 00:40:37.742
go to charleston once a year because of the food.

00:40:37.902 –> 00:40:38.962
Oh, without a doubt.

00:40:39.002 –> 00:40:43.102
The food is supposed to be absolutely incredible. And it’s in all of these restaurants

00:40:43.102 –> 00:40:45.182
that we’re talking about that are so freaking haunted.

00:40:45.642 –> 00:40:50.622
And I don’t know that they’re even leading with those stories anymore because

00:40:50.622 –> 00:40:52.782
they’ve done such a good job of rewriting,

00:40:53.833 –> 00:40:57.273
You know, the troubled past and rewriting the history and trying to correct

00:40:57.273 –> 00:41:00.913
the horrific things that happened and that were done there.

00:41:01.133 –> 00:41:08.073
But I mean, I’ve never been, but it looks like it’s like a fairy land.

00:41:08.353 –> 00:41:08.633
Yeah.

00:41:08.713 –> 00:41:09.653
It does not look real.

00:41:09.813 –> 00:41:13.153
To me, it really feels like you step back into history in a way that,

00:41:13.193 –> 00:41:16.953
you know, going to Salem, going to Sleepy Hollow even.

00:41:17.873 –> 00:41:22.333
It’s uncanny to me, you know, that I just really feel like I go back in time

00:41:22.333 –> 00:41:23.633
when I go there. And I love that.

00:41:23.833 –> 00:41:27.393
It’s very it’s it was very well or it is very well preserved.

00:41:27.433 –> 00:41:31.973
Like I think a lot of whoever owns these homes today,

00:41:32.193 –> 00:41:37.593
clearly there’s a love for this community and like the history of this place

00:41:37.593 –> 00:41:41.333
because it shows like when you you’re seeing all these places like when we were

00:41:41.333 –> 00:41:44.453
there, we were actually there in November. So it’s kind of off season.

00:41:45.013 –> 00:41:48.413
Everything was still packed, like the restaurants were packed.

00:41:48.533 –> 00:41:52.513
The bed and breakfast were fully booked. Like the places year round,

00:41:52.713 –> 00:41:56.873
even though it’s not necessarily like I think summertime is their core twist.

00:41:57.013 –> 00:42:04.293
It still was like, you know, any of the well-known places to go were like lines

00:42:04.293 –> 00:42:05.273
wrapped around the corner.

00:42:05.273 –> 00:42:09.493
And I feel like you’re, you know, just the stuff that we’ve talked about today,

00:42:09.553 –> 00:42:13.773
because it is such a historical city, you maybe get lost in the sauce a little

00:42:13.773 –> 00:42:16.553
bit with, you know, the tours and all that kind of stuff.

00:42:16.653 –> 00:42:21.853
But there is a very modern aspect to Charleston from everything I’ve seen.

00:42:21.933 –> 00:42:27.313
Like they’ve reinvented parts of the city where what’s happening inside these

00:42:27.313 –> 00:42:29.233
restaurants and hotels is very modern.

00:42:29.533 –> 00:42:33.993
But they like you said, they preserve the classic nature of the city.

00:42:33.993 –> 00:42:35.153
Yeah the history which.

00:42:35.153 –> 00:42:36.253
Does not happen.

00:42:36.253 –> 00:42:37.413
Very often like.

00:42:37.413 –> 00:42:43.053
Here in new york how quickly do they want to take a beautiful old building.

00:42:43.053 –> 00:42:47.633
Yeah and completely completely knock it down gut it and make it look modern everyone’s.

00:42:47.633 –> 00:42:50.253
So sad when that happens and i feel like they don’t do that there.

00:42:50.913 –> 00:42:54.973
No and i think there’s something to be said i don’t know the actual like the

00:42:54.973 –> 00:42:59.753
for real reasoning behind it but i i feel like there’s some kind of historical

00:42:59.753 –> 00:43:03.953
society that probably has something to say about these buildings.

00:43:04.053 –> 00:43:07.953
Because I think, you know, like if you have a home that is from a certain time

00:43:07.953 –> 00:43:12.633
period in New York, you can have it added to the historical society.

00:43:12.793 –> 00:43:16.513
And then they give you rules on like how to renovate.

00:43:16.573 –> 00:43:21.453
You can’t like if you’re updating something, it has to be updated in this specific

00:43:21.453 –> 00:43:26.513
type of material that would have been of that period. Like there’s a lot of rules.

00:43:27.393 –> 00:43:32.533
But with that being said, then it holds the integrity of that house or the building

00:43:32.533 –> 00:43:34.333
or whatever the property is.

00:43:34.473 –> 00:43:36.913
And I’m sure there’s some kind of…

00:43:37.467 –> 00:43:40.207
society that is in charge of that kind of stuff. Without a doubt.

00:43:40.367 –> 00:43:47.907
And I just I think if people are really like folklore mythology lovers,

00:43:48.287 –> 00:43:54.307
you know, don’t go to the overly commercialized kind of tours and what have

00:43:54.307 –> 00:43:58.767
you, you know, like you kind of have to experience it yourself without all the hoopla around you.

00:43:58.827 –> 00:43:59.067
Yeah.

00:43:59.147 –> 00:44:02.967
And I think that’s where Salem lost me that, you know, when I was walking Yes,

00:44:03.167 –> 00:44:05.327
it had some cobblestone streets and things like that.

00:44:05.387 –> 00:44:11.187
But the amount of touristy kind of gimmicky shops that were now in those places.

00:44:11.967 –> 00:44:14.647
Charleston is not like that. I’m not saying it doesn’t have it,

00:44:14.687 –> 00:44:16.527
but I wasn’t like feeling like.

00:44:16.567 –> 00:44:17.507
It’s not thrown in your face.

00:44:17.587 –> 00:44:21.047
Yes. Yeah. And that was very disparaging for me.

00:44:21.147 –> 00:44:21.987
They do it classy.

00:44:22.167 –> 00:44:22.467
Yeah.

00:44:22.487 –> 00:44:26.687
Now you’re going to tell us about that other inn. Is that still there? Is that knocked down?

00:44:26.807 –> 00:44:29.807
Oh, it’s totally still there. The South Battery Carriage House.

00:44:29.887 –> 00:44:34.667
Yeah. Or the Battery Carriage House Inn. And it’s one of those places that I

00:44:34.667 –> 00:44:37.187
think if we were going to go down, I’d be like, yeah, we got to stay here.

00:44:37.287 –> 00:44:37.407
Yeah.

00:44:37.407 –> 00:44:39.767
Is that pretty? It is beautiful.

00:44:39.827 –> 00:44:44.707
And I think between the pink of the stone and some some things that I’ve read

00:44:44.707 –> 00:44:50.507
about what’s called paint blue paint, which we’ll talk about later in the episodes.

00:44:50.847 –> 00:44:54.867
It has that kind of coloring on its balconies, if you will.

00:44:54.947 –> 00:44:59.567
Yeah. You know, because it’s three floors, those beautiful balconies, porches.

00:44:59.587 –> 00:45:01.347
Outside porches.

00:45:01.367 –> 00:45:05.127
Yeah. Well, they have two rooms that are allegedly haunted. So we would have

00:45:05.127 –> 00:45:06.487
to stay at either one of these rooms.

00:45:06.647 –> 00:45:09.487
One of them is room eight. Which is my favorite number.

00:45:10.287 –> 00:45:13.147
Not so friendly of a specter.

00:45:13.207 –> 00:45:13.567
Never mind.

00:45:13.687 –> 00:45:16.887
But they described him as less friendly. But he’s a headless torso.

00:45:17.627 –> 00:45:18.647
Call back to season one.

00:45:18.927 –> 00:45:24.127
Yes. And, you know, I think, again, it has that connection kind of to the Civil War.

00:45:24.307 –> 00:45:27.107
These are, again, you know, possible soldiers, which, again,

00:45:27.127 –> 00:45:31.487
reminds me of my beloved Hessian. Yeah. who lost his head during the American Revolution.

00:45:31.807 –> 00:45:34.947
So, but many people are saying that they’ve seen him.

00:45:35.665 –> 00:45:38.905
He said the spirit’s overcoat seemed to be made of a coarse material,

00:45:39.165 –> 00:45:43.145
perhaps like burlap. So people are having these odd sightings in this specific room.

00:45:43.345 –> 00:45:49.145
But then you want a nicer ghost, you go to like next door, room 10.

00:45:49.485 –> 00:45:52.385
Okay, so we can stay in room 10 then. I’m okay with the nice,

00:45:52.445 –> 00:45:54.005
nice ghost. I don’t want the mean guy.

00:45:54.025 –> 00:45:58.885
This is depending on what you consider to be nice, right? He is called the gentleman ghost.

00:45:59.045 –> 00:45:59.685
Oh, no, no, no.

00:45:59.825 –> 00:46:00.185
Okay.

00:46:00.625 –> 00:46:00.985
Oh.

00:46:01.645 –> 00:46:06.785
Because he tends to crawl into bed with women who stay in the room.

00:46:06.885 –> 00:46:09.865
Guys, he just wants to cuddle. I’m just going to.

00:46:09.865 –> 00:46:12.125
Sneak in here. Is this Steve Bonnet?

00:46:12.445 –> 00:46:12.845
Spooning?

00:46:13.085 –> 00:46:14.905
Is it our boy, the Gentleman Pirate?

00:46:15.045 –> 00:46:18.025
I mean, I feel like there has to be a connection. I don’t see his actual name

00:46:18.025 –> 00:46:21.205
tied with it, but he was referred to as the Gentleman Pirate, right?

00:46:21.285 –> 00:46:25.925
Hold the phone. Imagine you’re, okay, say you’re in Charleston for a work trip.

00:46:26.025 –> 00:46:29.025
Your boss puts you up in this lovely hotel, world renowned.

00:46:29.625 –> 00:46:33.845
You get room 10. Jen, you know nothing about this. You’re just there for a conference on cheese.

00:46:34.225 –> 00:46:38.845
And you’re in the room and all of a sudden you just feel slippery,

00:46:38.845 –> 00:46:42.485
slattery and into your bed. And cold. And cold.

00:46:43.585 –> 00:46:45.485
Nice shampoo. What?

00:46:46.045 –> 00:46:47.425
I mean, it does say.

00:46:47.545 –> 00:46:52.165
That’s like to me, like you can make noises. You can knock stuff over.

00:46:52.245 –> 00:46:54.145
You can touch the back of my neck. You can play with my hair.

00:46:54.145 –> 00:46:55.025
Don’t touch the back of my neck.

00:46:55.265 –> 00:46:56.925
Sliding into bed with me.

00:46:57.085 –> 00:46:59.905
You see like the sheet move. Can I have more covers?

00:47:00.405 –> 00:47:04.345
You know, like the bed is like the safe zone, right? Like in like scary movies.

00:47:04.385 –> 00:47:06.825
Yes, or under the sheets. Under the bed, right? You don’t look under the bed.

00:47:06.945 –> 00:47:08.285
Don’t put your feet on the outside.

00:47:08.285 –> 00:47:10.105
Right? You put your one leg out and then you bring it in.

00:47:10.165 –> 00:47:10.385
Yeah.

00:47:10.505 –> 00:47:11.525
For the ghosties. Right.

00:47:11.605 –> 00:47:14.005
If my blanket is over my head, nothing can see me.

00:47:14.245 –> 00:47:14.605
Exactly.

00:47:14.725 –> 00:47:16.305
You know, I always thought that when I was little.

00:47:16.385 –> 00:47:18.605
But I love this. It says he’s well-dressed.

00:47:18.705 –> 00:47:19.185
Oh, good.

00:47:19.325 –> 00:47:23.085
And he’s just looking for a comfy bed and warm body to snuggle up to. Great.

00:47:23.125 –> 00:47:23.625
Not a fan.

00:47:23.725 –> 00:47:26.565
No need to move over. He reportedly takes up very little space.

00:47:26.785 –> 00:47:27.065
Okay.

00:47:27.776 –> 00:47:32.036
Oh, great. So we’ve got a nice skinny little tiny man jumping into bed with you.

00:47:32.176 –> 00:47:33.436
I have literal goosebumps.

00:47:33.896 –> 00:47:38.076
Can you just imagine that, though? Like, you know, in Paranormal Activity 1,

00:47:38.296 –> 00:47:42.216
where the whatever you can’t see the whatever it is that’s haunting them.

00:47:42.276 –> 00:47:44.596
And it’s taking the sheep off of them.

00:47:45.156 –> 00:47:51.776
That is, I truly think that is the, as a child, that is your biggest fear.

00:47:52.196 –> 00:47:55.936
As an adult. adult if you

00:47:55.936 –> 00:47:59.276
are laying in bed and you’re looking at your feet right your feet are under

00:47:59.276 –> 00:48:02.876
the sheet and all of a sudden you just see the sheet slowly start to get pulled

00:48:02.876 –> 00:48:06.916
down you cannot tell me that would not terrify you i would poop in my pantaloons

00:48:06.916 –> 00:48:14.216
right there like it’s game over i would get out of that bed and run from that room so fast but.

00:48:14.216 –> 00:48:19.396
But the one ghost is a headless torso so he can’t chase after you if he’s just a torso he got no legs.

00:48:19.396 –> 00:48:20.776
I mean okay.

00:48:20.776 –> 00:48:25.176
And it oh okay i see what you’re saying he was the civil war soldier that was

00:48:25.176 –> 00:48:30.996
an unfortunate victim of a mutinous incident but our gentleman he could have

00:48:30.996 –> 00:48:36.236
possibly been the spirit of a sensitive but suicidal college student who leaped

00:48:36.236 –> 00:48:38.436
to his death from the inn’s roof i.

00:48:38.436 –> 00:48:42.916
Don’t feel bad for him why are you getting into bed with me does he get into bed with the dudes.

00:48:42.916 –> 00:48:45.276
No it specifically says.

00:48:45.276 –> 00:48:47.796
Okay he’s a creep he’s a creep then he just.

00:48:47.796 –> 00:48:48.516
Wants to be loved.

00:48:48.516 –> 00:48:50.476
I mean cool.

00:48:50.476 –> 00:48:52.136
Bro i just want to sleep.

00:48:52.136 –> 00:48:57.616
But if you let alone sleep with you then does will he be able to go home oh.

00:48:57.616 –> 00:49:02.536
I’m not you can one for the team you can you can ask him i’ll tell you that

00:49:02.536 –> 00:49:04.356
right now i’m not taking one for the team.

00:49:04.356 –> 00:49:08.036
You know is that it don’t volunteer me looking for somebody to cuddle and then

00:49:08.036 –> 00:49:09.796
once he gets his cuddle he can go home,

00:49:10.681 –> 00:49:13.821
I mean, I’m just saying that might be what he’s looking for.

00:49:14.061 –> 00:49:15.021
There’s still no consent.

00:49:15.101 –> 00:49:16.281
He just wants to be the big spoon.

00:49:16.561 –> 00:49:19.501
I don’t care. There’s no consent. No, he seems like he wants to be the little

00:49:19.501 –> 00:49:20.901
spoon. That’s what he seems like.

00:49:20.921 –> 00:49:21.441
I agree.

00:49:21.681 –> 00:49:23.001
He is a little spooner.

00:49:23.001 –> 00:49:23.221
Yeah.

00:49:23.361 –> 00:49:24.201
Little spooner.

00:49:24.341 –> 00:49:28.941
I just think that, you know, this, this, you know, being that we did Sleepy

00:49:28.941 –> 00:49:31.921
Hollow first, you know, that it’s, that is such a small town.

00:49:32.061 –> 00:49:36.121
You know, some of the things that we talked about, you really could hit that all in a day or two.

00:49:36.241 –> 00:49:36.461
Yeah.

00:49:36.501 –> 00:49:40.481
You know, with Charleston, you need a lot more time. You need a lot more time.

00:49:40.481 –> 00:49:44.421
I think even if we did this for, like, a week straight, we still would have.

00:49:44.701 –> 00:49:48.621
Because there’s so many versions of things, too.

00:49:48.721 –> 00:49:51.981
Because you’ve got, like, just so many variations. And, like,

00:49:52.001 –> 00:49:55.781
through the years, things have been changed or slightly.

00:49:56.041 –> 00:49:59.241
So, like, you’re like, wait, is that the same story? No, that’s a different story.

00:49:59.421 –> 00:50:02.281
And we’ve really had to do that, even just piecing together our own research.

00:50:02.361 –> 00:50:04.881
And be like, are you talking about the same thing I’m talking about? Exactly.

00:50:05.141 –> 00:50:07.761
And there’s, like, moments, too, when we’ve been talking about it.

00:50:07.781 –> 00:50:09.221
I’m like, okay, I’m going to talk about this. and you’re like,

00:50:09.281 –> 00:50:10.901
wait, I think that’s the same story.

00:50:10.901 –> 00:50:13.481
I think that’s the same one. They all kind of tie together.

00:50:13.501 –> 00:50:16.461
That’s going to keep happening, right? I just feel like they’re going to run

00:50:16.461 –> 00:50:21.281
out of stories, but that is not the case for our next week episode.

00:50:21.521 –> 00:50:24.021
I’m going to bury the weed on this one. I know we like to give you a little

00:50:24.021 –> 00:50:28.821
bit of a teaser, but next week we’re going to talk about the famous jails and

00:50:28.821 –> 00:50:31.661
dungeons, but our main story is so good.

00:50:33.821 –> 00:50:34.561
I can’t wait.

00:50:34.661 –> 00:50:35.361
I can’t wait for that one.

00:50:35.641 –> 00:50:37.841
Don’t look at me. You just said you didn’t want to talk about it.

00:50:37.841 –> 00:50:40.561
We can’t try not to spoil it. We can’t talk about it. All right,

00:50:40.581 –> 00:50:43.501
guys. So we will see you next time. Bye.

00:50:43.641 –> 00:50:44.001
Bye.

00:50:44.361 –> 00:50:44.681
Bye.

00:50:46.861 –> 00:50:47.721
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